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| Started by | Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> |
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| First post | 2015-11-12 14:31 +0930 |
| Last post | 2016-02-22 16:21 -0800 |
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IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-12 14:31 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) mentificium@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 04:49 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 18:51 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-12 20:06 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-13 14:45 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-13 14:51 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-12 22:44 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-14 10:28 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-13 17:20 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 17:13 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-14 14:43 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-15 07:18 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-15 09:07 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 13:09 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-15 13:35 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 16:03 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 18:26 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 16:13 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-16 13:27 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-02 17:20 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-03 20:39 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-16 01:16 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-16 08:22 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-02 17:16 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-02 19:14 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 17:45 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-13 21:02 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 17:54 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 18:00 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-14 12:22 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-16 08:12 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 12:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 08:21 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 16:39 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 10:22 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-16 17:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 16:14 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-17 06:22 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-17 11:30 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-17 16:43 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-18 08:29 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-17 17:38 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-17 17:36 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-18 12:23 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-18 13:46 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 07:31 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:52 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-18 10:02 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-18 18:25 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-18 13:37 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-18 11:06 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:21 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:09 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-18 16:09 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-19 14:56 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:53 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:12 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-19 16:24 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:24 -0700
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-19 14:26 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-18 16:09 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:11 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 21:25 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:18 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 19:04 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-21 11:29 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 16:01 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 10:10 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-19 10:06 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 15:32 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 05:58 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 19:15 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-19 20:50 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-20 07:59 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-20 07:07 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-20 14:24 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-20 17:58 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-20 13:33 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-19 11:23 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-19 18:36 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 04:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-20 23:27 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-20 16:34 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-21 12:47 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 06:30 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-22 01:53 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-21 18:33 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 15:11 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-21 23:59 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 20:10 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-22 06:30 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-23 05:44 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-21 16:45 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-19 14:34 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-11-19 21:40 -0400
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 15:14 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-11-20 19:27 -0400
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:09 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:29 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-19 07:25 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-19 06:56 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 05:50 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:36 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 18:29 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2016-02-07 13:25 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jfehlinger@comcast.net - 2016-02-22 16:21 -0800
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 14:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000524E5C74603B5@aca42da3.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #154629 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 10:52:39 AM UTC-5, Greymaus wrote: >> A friend that travelled in South Carolina a while ago said that a lot of >> country roads there were `dirt'. > > If you look closely at a traditional road map, it will show what > roads aren't paved. They're rare in the U.S., but can be found in > a few places. They are not rare in Michigan. > > For instance, in northeastern, PA, there are a few unpaved roads in > the NW section of Susquehanna county (light gray lines). > http://www.dot7.state.pa.us/BPR_PDF_FILES/MAPS/Statewide/otm/otm_ne.pdf /BAH
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 16:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1393182919.469573538.903983.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #154626 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> Mike Hore wrote: > >>>> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each way >>>> with some passing lanes. > >>> Please define "sealed" highways. > >> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. > > Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in North > America, *paved* highways. > > When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways with > covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by going along > them to their ends. I was thinking of limited-access highways; I'm glad we cleared this up. I suppose only in Oz could you have to specify that a highway is paved. -- Pete
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 16:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db540pF7tlpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154635 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1393182919.469573538.903983.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> Mike Hore wrote: >> >>>>> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each way >>>>> with some passing lanes. >> >>>> Please define "sealed" highways. >> >>> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. >> >> Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in North >> America, *paved* highways. >> >> When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways with >> covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by going >> along >> them to their ends. > > I was thinking of limited-access highways; I'm glad we cleared this up. I > suppose only in Oz could you have to specify that a highway is paved. Lots of other places too, like Africa, South America, Siberia, China etc etc etc.
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| From | Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 21:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA5569328CA781falkarcabca@213.239.209.88> |
| In reply to | #154626 |
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:66fbf0f5-8173-435e-843a-ed57f30e7b2e@googlegroups.com: > On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> > Mike Hore wrote: > >> >> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each >> >> way with some passing lanes. > >> > Please define "sealed" highways. > >> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. > > Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in North > America, *paved* highways. > > When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways > with covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by > going along them to their ends. > > John Savard Terminology does differ from country to country. Back in the 80's I was visiting a Swedish friend (at the time a Volvo employee). He pointed out to me that Volvo's ads in Candada bragged about how long their cars lasted in Sweden with it <some large number> of kilometers of _unpaved_ roads. While Canadians would assume this meant loose gravel or even "dirt", in fact it meant asphalt on gravel which we call "paved" in Canada. Canada certainly has lots of gravel roads where economics don't justify any kind of paving. Longest I can think of us tge 768 km Dempster Hwy from Dawson City, Yukon to Inuvik, Northwest Territories. It is built on permafrost which makes for interesting problems as the road causes the underlying soil to melt and sink. As for "dirt", I don't think we have many public roads with no surface treatment. There is the 30 km Gap Road between the East and West Cypress Hills in SW Saskatchewan. It has warnings that say, in effect, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here when it is wet". It is rather charming when it's dry. Every now and then you have to stop to open barbed wire gates or shoo cattle out of the way.
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 16:18 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db54cuF80biU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154637 |
"Alfred Falk" <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote in message news:XnsA5569328CA781falkarcabca@213.239.209.88... > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in > news:66fbf0f5-8173-435e-843a-ed57f30e7b2e@googlegroups.com: > >> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> > Mike Hore wrote: >> >>> >> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each >>> >> way with some passing lanes. >> >>> > Please define "sealed" highways. >> >>> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. >> >> Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in North >> America, *paved* highways. >> >> When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways >> with covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by >> going along them to their ends. >> >> John Savard > > Terminology does differ from country to country. Back in the 80's I was > visiting a Swedish friend (at the time a Volvo employee). He pointed out > to > me that Volvo's ads in Candada bragged about how long their cars lasted in > Sweden with it <some large number> of kilometers of _unpaved_ roads. > While > Canadians would assume this meant loose gravel or even "dirt", in fact it > meant asphalt on gravel which we call "paved" in Canada. > > Canada certainly has lots of gravel roads where economics don't justify > any > kind of paving. Longest I can think of us tge 768 km Dempster Hwy from > Dawson City, Yukon to Inuvik, Northwest Territories. It is built on > permafrost which makes for interesting problems as the road causes the > underlying soil to melt and sink. > > As for "dirt", I don't think we have many public roads with no surface > treatment. There is the 30 km Gap Road between the East and West Cypress > Hills in SW Saskatchewan. It has warnings that say, in effect, "Abandon > all > hope ye who enter here when it is wet". We have lots of those, with no warnings at all. > It is rather charming when it's dry. Yeah, you can end up with massive great ruts where a truck has gone thru when its wet that you can't drive a car thru, because they are so deep that the car wheels don’t even touch the bottom. > Every now and then you have to stop to open barbed wire gates or shoo > cattle out of the way. We can get that last even on fully sealed national highways. The cattle are being moved down them on foot instead of in trucks. Not shoo so much as wait till they wander out of the way. Those usually do have warning signs on the road put there by those who are moving the cattle that way, usually in drought.
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| From | Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 19:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA5587B3B65C60falkarcabca@213.239.209.88> |
| In reply to | #154645 |
"hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> wrote in news:db54cuF80biU1@mid.individual.net: > > > "Alfred Falk" <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote in message > news:XnsA5569328CA781falkarcabca@213.239.209.88... >> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in >> news:66fbf0f5-8173-435e-843a-ed57f30e7b2e@googlegroups.com: >> >>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>>> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> > Mike Hore wrote: >>> >>>> >> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each >>>> >> way with some passing lanes. >>> >>>> > Please define "sealed" highways. >>> >>>> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. >>> >>> Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in >>> North America, *paved* highways. >>> >>> When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways >>> with covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by >>> going along them to their ends. >>> >>> John Savard >> >> Terminology does differ from country to country. Back in the 80's I >> was visiting a Swedish friend (at the time a Volvo employee). He >> pointed out to me that Volvo's ads in Candada bragged about how long >> their cars lasted in Sweden with it <some large number> of kilometers >> of _unpaved_ roads. While >> Canadians would assume this meant loose gravel or even "dirt", in fact >> it meant asphalt on gravel which we call "paved" in Canada. >> >> Canada certainly has lots of gravel roads where economics don't >> justify any kind of paving. Longest I can think of us tge 768 km >> Dempster Hwy from Dawson City, Yukon to Inuvik, Northwest Territories. >> It is built on permafrost which makes for interesting problems as the >> road causes the underlying soil to melt and sink. >> >> As for "dirt", I don't think we have many public roads with no surface >> treatment. There is the 30 km Gap Road between the East and West >> Cypress Hills in SW Saskatchewan. It has warnings that say, in >> effect, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here when it is wet". > > We have lots of those, with no warnings at all. In Canada we don't have a lot of _public_ dirt roads anymore. We certainly did 50 years ago. Population and economics figure into this. In the far north, there are lots of winter roads which are operational only from freeze-up to spring thaw. They are not passable in summer. The population is close to zilch and they're mainly about mineral exploration, but there are isolated communities served by these. In the south, most dirt roads are for access to farm fields, mineral exploration or logging and the like. >> It is rather charming when it's dry. > > Yeah, you can end up with massive great ruts where a truck has > gone thru when its wet that you can't drive a car thru, because > they are so deep that the car wheels don’t even touch the bottom. Substrate makes a difference. Something that make the Cypress Hills Gap "interesting" when wet is that the soil is high in bentonite, the stuff used in the oil industry as a lubricant - "drilling mud". >> Every now and then you have to stop to open barbed wire gates or shoo >> cattle out of the way. > > We can get that last even on fully sealed national highways. > The cattle are being moved down them on foot instead of in trucks. We have cattle drives too, on and along highways, although I doubt it would be allowed on limited access 4-line highways like the Trans-Canada. The Gap road I was talking about is actually through mostly open ranchland. > Not shoo so much as wait till they wander out of the way. Yes. > Those usually do have warning signs on the road put there > by those who are moving the cattle that way, usually in drought.
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 11:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db9s7uFeve2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154686 |
"Alfred Falk" <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote in message news:XnsA5587B3B65C60falkarcabca@213.239.209.88... > "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> wrote in > news:db54cuF80biU1@mid.individual.net: > >> >> >> "Alfred Falk" <falk@arc.ab.ca> wrote in message >> news:XnsA5569328CA781falkarcabca@213.239.209.88... >>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in >>> news:66fbf0f5-8173-435e-843a-ed57f30e7b2e@googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2015 at 8:16:46 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>>>> On 2015-11-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>>> > Mike Hore wrote: >>>> >>>>> >> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each >>>>> >> way with some passing lanes. >>>> >>>>> > Please define "sealed" highways. >>>> >>>>> I presume he means `Tarmacked', tarred. >>>> >>>> Ah. What is sometimes called 'macadam', or what we would call, in >>>> North America, *paved* highways. >>>> >>>> When I read that, I was thinking of *tunnels*, or at least highways >>>> with covering over them, so there was no way in or out other than by >>>> going along them to their ends. >>>> >>>> John Savard >>> >>> Terminology does differ from country to country. Back in the 80's I >>> was visiting a Swedish friend (at the time a Volvo employee). He >>> pointed out to me that Volvo's ads in Candada bragged about how long >>> their cars lasted in Sweden with it <some large number> of kilometers >>> of _unpaved_ roads. While >>> Canadians would assume this meant loose gravel or even "dirt", in fact >>> it meant asphalt on gravel which we call "paved" in Canada. >>> >>> Canada certainly has lots of gravel roads where economics don't >>> justify any kind of paving. Longest I can think of us tge 768 km >>> Dempster Hwy from Dawson City, Yukon to Inuvik, Northwest Territories. >>> It is built on permafrost which makes for interesting problems as the >>> road causes the underlying soil to melt and sink. >>> >>> As for "dirt", I don't think we have many public roads with no surface >>> treatment. There is the 30 km Gap Road between the East and West >>> Cypress Hills in SW Saskatchewan. It has warnings that say, in >>> effect, "Abandon all hope ye who enter here when it is wet". >> >> We have lots of those, with no warnings at all. > > In Canada we don't have a lot of _public_ dirt roads anymore. We > certainly > did 50 years ago. Population and economics figure into this. In the far > north, there are lots of winter roads which are operational only from > freeze-up to spring thaw. They are not passable in summer. The > population > is close to zilch and they're mainly about mineral exploration, but there > are isolated communities served by these. > > In the south, most dirt roads are for access to farm fields, mineral > exploration or logging and the like. > >>> It is rather charming when it's dry. >> >> Yeah, you can end up with massive great ruts where a truck has >> gone thru when its wet that you can't drive a car thru, because >> they are so deep that the car wheels don’t even touch the bottom. > > Substrate makes a difference. Yeah, makes a hell of a difference. The soil around here is mostly selling clays that can be a hell of a problem in with a decent modern 4WD if you don’t know what you are doing. > Something that make the Cypress Hills Gap "interesting" > when wet is that the soil is high in bentonite, the stuff > used in the oil industry as a lubricant - "drilling mud". Sounds similar to ours. >>> Every now and then you have to stop to open barbed >>> wire gates or shoo cattle out of the way. >> We can get that last even on fully sealed national highways. >> The cattle are being moved down them on foot instead of in trucks. > We have cattle drives too, on and along highways, although I doubt it > would > be allowed on limited access 4-line highways like the Trans-Canada. Yeah, we don’t allow that on our equivalents. > The Gap road I was talking about is actually through mostly open > ranchland. >> Not shoo so much as wait till they wander out of the way. > > Yes. > >> Those usually do have warning signs on the road put there >> by those who are moving the cattle that way, usually in drought.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 16:01 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db53e4F7po3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154623 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM000524D122D60E16@aca4007d.ipt.aol.com... > Mike Hore wrote: >> On 18/11/2015 11:06 AM, Quadibloc wrote: >>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-7, Mike Hore wrote: >>>> It's 5 days to Sydney by >>>> road. >>> >>> So there _are_ roads going through the Northern Territory. >> >> Yes, of course. We're civilized here!!! >> >>> >>> Does one have to take special precautions when travelling along them? Or > are there towns and villages and gas stations along their length, much > like > anywhere else? >>> >> >> Yes. There are a couple of sealed highways, mostly one lane each way >> with some passing lanes. But the distances are vast and the temperature >> usually hot. So it's wise to take plenty of water and let people know >> where you're planning to go. The main highway from Darwin to Adelaide >> is reasonably busy though, and there are towns with gas stations every >> 100 km or so. So if you break down somebody will come past soon. But >> there's no mobile phone (cell phone) coverage once you get out of the >> towns. >> > > Please define "sealed" highways. Normal roads, as opposed to a dirt road.
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| From | maus <mausg@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-18 10:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn4ojk8.19g.mausg@d2.org> |
| In reply to | #154614 |
On 2015-11-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-7, Mike Hore wrote: >> It's 5 days to Sydney by >> road. > > So there _are_ roads going through the Northern Territory. > > Does one have to take special precautions when travelling along them? Or are there towns and villages and gas stations along their length, much like anywhere else? > > (Special precautions being things like taking an emergency radio, 14 days supply of food and water in case your car breaks down, cans of gasoline for stretches of road longer than the capacity of one's fuel tank, and so on.) > > If anything even remotely resembling that were the case, such a car trip would > not be for the unwary. But then, going from Sydney to Perth by road, even if it > isn't through deadly impassable jungle, still goes through a lot of Outback, so > one probably should bring extra water along for that kind of trip too. > > John Savard Amongst the many things that irish people do is driving road trains, truck-trailer combinations that the Australians use to transport stuff long distances. (Actually, Darwin would be a bit far for cattle, without rests. Roads are generally dirt, from what I was told. Sydney to Perth is probably the most boring road trip on earth, again, I am told. Film on TV about the train trip, with most passengers older than pension age, reduced or nil ticket price. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 10:06 +0930 |
| Message-ID | <n2j5e9$dit$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154622 |
...
(snip long conversation while I was asleep)
Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!)
US Australia (and some other places)
paved sealed
unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending)
>
> Amongst the many things that irish people do is driving road trains,
> truck-trailer combinations that the Australians use to transport stuff
> long distances. (Actually, Darwin would be a bit far for cattle, without
> rests. Roads are generally dirt, from what I was told.
Yes, we have road trains (and that's what we call them too). They're
very long of course, and if overtaking, you need over a kilometre of
forward visibility. That's usually OK, as outback it's mostly quite
flat and the straight sections are very long.
Sealed roads are actually normally of quite good quality. Outside towns
you can do 100km/hr easily in most places. The Stuart Highway (Adelaide
- Darwin) has mostly a 130 k/h limit in the Northern Territory, and some
sections (experimentally) are unlimited. The road is actually excellent
and you can do these speeds quite comfortably.
>
> Sydney to Perth is probably the most boring road trip on earth, again, I
> am told.
That would be true. Adelaide to Darwin likewise. Also Perth to Broome.
> Film on TV about the train trip, with most passengers older than
> pension age, reduced or nil ticket price.
No no no, not nil. Never ever :-(
You can get a bit of a discount if you're a pensioner. But not much.
You go by train for the experience. If you just want to get from A to
B, you fly. It's much cheaper overall. That's for long trips of course.
Building over permafrost is a new idea for me. There's no permafrost
anywhere in Australia. Here in Darwin we're only 12 deg S latitude, so
the climate must be like the Caribbean. Once you've been here a few
years you don't want to live anywhere else :-) We don't do winter.
Max temp is 33-34 deg C the year round. In July it can get down to 24
at night, and everyone complains about the cold!
Getting back slightly to the original topic -- Frank Soltis mentioned in
one of his books, referring to Rochester MN, "Where the winters are cold
and the chips are hot". Darwin would be "where winter doesn't exist and
EVERYTHING is hot". :-)
Cheers, Mike.
--
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Mike Hore mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 15:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad> |
| In reply to | #154640 |
Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >... >(snip long conversation while I was asleep) > >Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) > >US Australia (and some other places) > >paved sealed >unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) > Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us).
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 05:58 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db6keeFk2s8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154655 |
"Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... > Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>... >>(snip long conversation while I was asleep) >> >>Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >> >>US Australia (and some other places) >> >>paved sealed >>unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >> > > Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us).
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 19:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rdp3y.76366$WF.35723@fx30.iad> |
| In reply to | #154663 |
"hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> writes: > > >"Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message >news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>>... >>>(snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>> >>>Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>> >>>US Australia (and some other places) >>> >>>paved sealed >>>unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>> >> >> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > >That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > Give it up speedy. Both pavement, footway and footpath are in use in the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidewalk The point is that pavement means something completely different stateside.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 20:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <db6r0aFb231U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154663 |
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:58:19 +1100, hunar wrote: > "Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message > news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>>... >>>(snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>> >>>Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>> >>>US Australia (and some other places) >>> >>>paved sealed unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>> >>> >> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > > That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). No, it shouldn't. Pavement is the usual term. Footpath can be used, but more often refers to a path not associated with a road. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 07:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn4tkng.8q9.plan.b@ID-309335.user.uni-berlin.de> |
| In reply to | #154666 |
On 19 Nov 2015 20:50:19 GMT, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote: > On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:58:19 +1100, hunar wrote: > >> "Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message >> news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >>> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>>>... >>>>(snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>>> >>>>Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>>> >>>>US Australia (and some other places) >>>> >>>>paved sealed unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>>> >>>> >>> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). >> >> That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > > No, it shouldn't. Pavement is the usual term. Footpath can be used, but > more often refers to a path not associated with a road. And doesn't have to be sealed...a lot of the footpaths round here are dirt (actually clay) or gravel. -- Stan Barr plan.b@bluesomatic.org
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 07:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1604813827.469713912.077230.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #154675 |
Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote: > On 19 Nov 2015 20:50:19 GMT, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:58:19 +1100, hunar wrote: >> >>> "Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message >>> news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >>>> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>>>> ... >>>>> (snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>>>> >>>>> Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>>>> >>>>> US Australia (and some other places) >>>>> >>>>> paved sealed unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). >>> >>> That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). >> >> No, it shouldn't. Pavement is the usual term. Footpath can be used, but >> more often refers to a path not associated with a road. > > And doesn't have to be sealed...a lot of the footpaths round here are > dirt (actually clay) or gravel. > Or wood chips. -- Pete
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 14:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <i2G3y.124760$lL.13024@fx28.iad> |
| In reply to | #154680 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> wrote: >> On 19 Nov 2015 20:50:19 GMT, Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> wrote: >>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 05:58:19 +1100, hunar wrote: >>> >>>> "Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message >>>> news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >>>>> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>>>>> ... >>>>>> (snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>>>>> >>>>>> US Australia (and some other places) >>>>>> >>>>>> paved sealed unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). >>>> >>>> That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). >>> >>> No, it shouldn't. Pavement is the usual term. Footpath can be used, but >>> more often refers to a path not associated with a road. >> >> And doesn't have to be sealed...a lot of the footpaths round here are >> dirt (actually clay) or gravel. >> > >Or wood chips. > Decomposed granite is used for paths around here. Hardens nicely and looks good. http://www.gardenista.com/posts/hardscaping-101-decomposed-granite A local non-profit is sponsering a non-fee friday at all the redwood state parks on black friday. Time for a visit to Big Basin for some nice hiking to escape the shopping hordes.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Jd-dnQefh_aKwtLLnZ2dnUU78S2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #154663 |
On 19/11/2015 18:58, hunar wrote: > > > "Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message > news:%Xl3y.114322$4M.79947@fx17.iad... >> Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>> ... >>> (snip long conversation while I was asleep) >>> >>> Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >>> >>> US Australia (and some other places) >>> >>> paved sealed >>> unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >>> >> >> Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > > That should be footpath (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > > A footpath (UK) is a road not a sidewalk. It is a very narrow road so cars and horses cannot use it. A pavement (UK) is the paved section at the side of a road.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 13:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM000524F927D26055@aca41420.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #154655 |
Scott Lurndal wrote: > Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> writes: >>... >>(snip long conversation while I was asleep) >> >>Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >> >>US Australia (and some other places) >> >>paved sealed >>unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >> > > Don't forget pavement (uk) vs. sidewalk (us). > I didn't know that. Kewl! Lanugage is fascinating. /BAH
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 11:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n2l0f2$3t5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154640 |
On 11/18/2015 6:36 PM, Mike Hore wrote: > ... > (snip long conversation while I was asleep) > > Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) > > US Australia (and some other places) > > paved sealed > unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) > To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. Dirt/gravel would be subsets of "unpaved" here.
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