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| Started by | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| First post | 2015-07-30 11:18 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-08-18 09:00 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 414 — 56 participants |
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Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-30 11:18 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-30 17:06 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-30 10:32 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-30 18:28 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-07-30 22:56 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 09:47 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-08-04 15:33 -0300
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-30 14:55 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 14:14 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-30 16:29 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-31 12:15 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-08-01 02:47 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-01 12:36 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:15 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-04 12:48 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-04 12:52 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-08-04 21:29 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2015-07-31 07:03 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-01 01:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-01 19:42 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 00:12 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 00:14 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-01 20:12 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-01 22:41 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:29 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:09 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-04 16:31 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-04 16:15 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-05 09:55 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-05 11:21 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-05 13:32 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 06:03 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-05 14:13 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-06 17:40 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-07 11:02 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 07:35 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 07:37 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-07 17:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-07 11:48 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 17:01 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 22:23 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-07 18:55 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 21:00 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 10:23 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 17:33 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 13:20 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 20:42 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 18:02 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:19 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-11 12:52 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 19:37 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-11 00:59 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-10 12:50 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-10 22:54 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:40 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 10:47 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 13:11 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 12:27 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-07 13:13 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-07 19:06 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-09 17:44 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 19:48 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-05 15:37 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2015-08-05 20:48 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-05 14:01 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 10:11 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-06 13:36 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 10:56 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 11:02 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-05 14:16 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 10:03 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 09:22 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 08:22 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 19:39 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-05 16:17 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:57 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-05 11:58 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 23:18 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-30 23:37 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-08-06 17:17 +0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-07-30 17:55 -0300
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-07-30 21:45 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Joe Morris" <j.c.morris@verizon.net> - 2015-07-30 18:17 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-30 16:54 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-30 16:59 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 21:23 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-30 15:06 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-30 18:47 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-30 16:55 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 22:50 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-30 23:36 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-01 18:46 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-01 18:50 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-02 01:15 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:10 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-02 19:54 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-03 00:45 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-02 17:54 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-03 05:47 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-02 21:03 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-02 22:18 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-03 10:20 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:46 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-03 07:24 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-03 14:58 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-03 15:22 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-03 21:07 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-03 20:59 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 11:02 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 16:04 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 16:00 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 15:58 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-03 20:27 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 16:08 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-03 16:57 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-03 15:07 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 18:12 +0000
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-04 19:49 +0000
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 13:48 -0700
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
Re: IBM 1130 and S/3 Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-05 01:49 +0000
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-08-04 21:40 -0700
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 16:12 -0500
Re: Minis and Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 13:31 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 23:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-04 17:23 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 18:54 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-05 11:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-07 16:06 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-07 21:35 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 22:23 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-07 18:53 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-11-04 12:31 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 14:02 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-07 18:49 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 13:48 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-08 06:23 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 17:23 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-08 08:41 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 19:42 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-08 12:31 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-08 15:43 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-09 12:32 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-09 15:59 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-09 23:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-08-10 22:17 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-08-11 23:53 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-12 13:42 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.invalid> - 2015-08-12 19:25 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-13 16:52 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-08-09 10:15 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-11 15:20 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-11 23:59 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:32 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-09 03:07 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-08 10:38 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-08-09 10:35 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-09 10:14 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-11-04 12:44 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-04 12:00 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 12:27 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-04 22:06 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-04 14:09 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-05 13:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-05 07:46 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-11-05 16:54 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-11-20 16:00 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-20 16:01 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-21 08:35 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-21 11:03 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-11-21 22:24 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-21 23:21 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes roger.ivie@gmail.com - 2015-11-04 19:51 -0800
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 11:27 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-11-05 13:52 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-11-05 15:57 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 17:57 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-08 10:51 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-09 10:05 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 05:41 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 15:00 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-08 23:54 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-09 00:34 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-08-19 11:04 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 12:00 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 13:04 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-19 09:59 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes mausg@mail.com - 2015-08-19 14:17 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-19 15:03 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-19 21:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-20 06:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-08-20 07:32 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-19 07:21 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 14:52 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-19 11:46 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-19 10:21 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-19 17:28 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 07:25 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 20:08 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-19 16:58 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 07:14 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 15:31 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-21 13:55 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 12:17 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-21 17:18 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-22 00:40 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:08 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-11-20 13:09 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-20 23:27 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-21 07:20 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-21 12:38 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-21 18:59 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-21 14:49 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-21 21:22 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-21 16:56 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-21 18:06 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 21:10 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-21 17:22 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 12:15 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-21 17:20 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-21 23:35 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-22 21:00 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-21 16:21 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 12:12 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-21 17:01 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:04 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-22 16:28 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:42 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 21:10 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-19 16:06 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-19 20:57 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 21:36 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 06:58 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-09 10:58 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-08 16:30 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-09 00:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 06:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-09 09:33 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 21:48 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:56 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-08 19:22 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 22:46 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 21:19 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-09 14:14 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:52 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 06:57 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-09 12:32 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-09 05:37 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 13:10 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-10 16:16 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 17:00 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-09 15:30 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-10 15:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:24 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-08 03:55 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 15:42 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:40 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-09 16:05 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 08:10 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 23:40 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 18:12 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-11 22:22 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 08:19 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-12 19:42 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:37 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-10 16:01 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-11 09:46 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 16:39 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:44 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 14:41 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 16:52 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-11 02:00 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-11 06:01 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 15:23 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 00:07 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 23:55 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 22:04 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 11:45 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-14 00:07 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-14 03:18 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-14 13:22 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-15 03:44 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 06:12 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:30 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-10 15:49 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:52 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:11 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:14 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:35 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 08:49 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:05 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-10 18:01 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:12 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 19:53 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:44 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-18 12:47 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-10 10:18 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:43 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 12:59 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:54 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 10:32 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 16:43 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 09:48 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-12 02:11 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-12 13:42 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 14:15 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:25 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 00:59 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:10 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:20 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 13:34 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 03:58 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:34 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:21 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 14:04 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:30 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-12 19:34 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 01:24 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:52 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-13 13:10 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:13 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:51 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:11 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-14 11:56 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 13:25 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:26 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-10 23:24 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 07:29 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 16:13 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-14 15:54 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-15 02:47 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 16:07 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:01 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 14:45 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 15:01 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 17:24 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:09 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 22:22 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 23:06 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2015-08-18 02:34 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-18 13:25 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-19 14:28 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 20:52 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:12 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-18 14:45 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-18 18:34 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:08 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-18 14:19 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-18 14:41 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 15:55 -0400
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-19 20:51 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 14:44 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-20 08:11 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-20 16:11 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:46 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-20 15:22 -0600
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 02:12 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 17:34 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 00:58 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-20 18:23 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 04:47 +0200
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-21 15:29 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-20 15:36 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:43 -0500
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 07:07 +1000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 23:49 +0100
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:15 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:50 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:35 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 11:45 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 13:45 -0700
Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-18 09:00 +0100
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 13:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5a43b649-74ca-488c-9685-ac80c2089edf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #150180 |
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 4:28:19 PM UTC-4, D_J_E wrote: > hancock4@om writes: > > > On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 5:01:28 PM UTC-4, D_J_E wrote: > > > >> I've been reading the next release of COBOL creates program objects only > >> so to keep up with the churn, another mass recompile might be on > >> the horizon. > > > > Would you recall where you read that? > > Most likely on bit.listserv.ibm-main. > > Here's the part about COBOL program objects now requiring storage in a PDS/E: > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/enterprise-cobol-zOS-v5/index.html Thanks!
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 21:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <498195531461883685.652771peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #150104 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: > >> On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 4:58:02 PM UTC-4, D_J_E wrote: >> >>> In a perfect world, recompiling a program should be viewed as >>> a normal activity. I've seen managers use the argument, "we can't >>> change that, we'll have the recompile the program". Leaves me >>> wondering what other kinds of problems that shop has. >> >> In a large data center that has existed for years, there would be >> thousands of programs. Recompiling all of them would be a big effort. > > Lots of times you have to recompile all programs, like when a language > goes obsolete, but I didn't really mention that problem. > > I've seen recompiling one program used as an excuse. > > A few years back we dealt with the transition to Enterprise PL/I. I recall several incompatibilities that required source changes. Some of these were removed in later releases of Enterprise PL/I, but that didn't help early adopters. -- Pete
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 16:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <aQ1Bx.8234$yo5.4075@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #149987 |
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes: >On Wednesday, August 19, 2015 at 6:04:38 AM UTC-4, Kerr Mudd-John wrote: >> > z/OS still uses it. Google for ibm z/os jcl and you'll >> > find the manuals. >> > >> JCL was dreadful (1980s era anyhow) I guess I just got used to it; then = >=20 >> was startled at how simple ICL's equivalent was (George?). > >Well, even its developer, Brooks, admitted it was bad. (He's in his 80's n= >ow, and still zipping around.) >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Brooks > >On the other hand, a large S/360 installation could have numerous disks, ta= >pes, printers, card readers, and other I/O units all running at once. JCL = >served as a way to request and allocate scarce resources as needed and cont= >rol the execution of complex job streams. It also kept I/O out of the prog= >ram, so changes in the physical environment need not require programs to be= > modified and recompiled, an enormous time saving. Burroughs did all of that, in a much simpler way. We let the MCP handle allocation to unit record and mass storage devices rather than fixed assignments in application or JCL. If the resources weren't available, the job was suspended until resources were assigned by the operator. Applications never needed to know about channel programs or even what type of device was being used, and its preferences (e.g. 9 track vs 7 track) could be overridden by the operator or by using a file equate when the application was executed. All disks/packs had full filesystems with named files; no track allocations were required to be specified by the application or when the application was executed. All mass storage media used fixed block addressing. Automatic volume recognition (and assignment) was standard. As soon as a tape (or disk pack) was mounted and recognized by the MCP, any pending jobs waiting for the new volume would be automatically released from the waiting condition and would continue execution. This was during the late 60's through 2010.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 20:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <_8idnfCaOZQnQknInZ2dnUU78R-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #149977 |
On 19/08/2015 11:04, Kerr Mudd-John wrote: > On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 01:34:10 +0100, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: > >>>> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >>>> operating systems! >> >> I dunno, the software for the PDP-8 was pretty rudimentary. >> >>> When did IBM stop using JCL? Or have they? >> >> z/OS still uses it. Google for ibm z/os jcl and you'll >> find the manuals. >> > JCL was dreadful (1980s era anyhow) I guess I just got used to it; then > was startled at how simple ICL's equivalent was (George?). > George was the name of ICL's operating systems. The JCL for George 3 (1900 family) was obviously derived from BASIC. New words for attaching peripherals.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 21:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq6ao2$rd3$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149526 |
Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:02:24 -0500, Osmium wrote: > >> "Bob Eager" wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:00:51 -0700, hancock4 wrote: >>> >>>> Generally, minis were less powerful, simpler, and cheaper than >>>> mainframes of its era. Generally, they had slower periperhals and >>>> simpler operating systems. >>> >>> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >>> operating systems! >> >> That isn't obvious to me, but they were certainly smaller!!!!! > > When did IBM stop using JCL? Or have they? Depends on the system. On the IBM System/34* the control language was called OCL. At first glance, it looked a lot like JCL. As you used it, you fell in love. Even though the machine was "smaller", the control language was a lot more powerful. But UNIX (hence AIX) got it right, in my opinion. A system should support lots of ways of starting programs. * My experience was with the System/34, From my reading, the language has just grown through the S/36, S/38, AS/400. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 06:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d2oc0jFj934U11@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149530 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 21:36:36 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > On the IBM System/34* the control language was called OCL. At first > glance, it looked a lot like JCL. > As you used it, you fell in love. > Even though the machine was "smaller", the control language was a lot > more powerful. > > But UNIX (hence AIX) got it right, in my opinion. > A system should support lots of ways of starting programs. I should confess that I use REXX quite a bit. But never on an IBM mainframe.
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 10:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq7pnm$4ku$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149543 |
Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 21:36:36 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > >> On the IBM System/34* the control language was called OCL. At first >> glance, it looked a lot like JCL. >> As you used it, you fell in love. >> Even though the machine was "smaller", the control language was a lot >> more powerful. >> >> But UNIX (hence AIX) got it right, in my opinion. >> A system should support lots of ways of starting programs. > > I should confess that I use REXX quite a bit. But never on an IBM > mainframe. I've experimented with non-mainframe REXX but see no reason to prefer it over Perl or Python. I use REXX a lot on the mainframe though. Too bad IBM hasn't promoted REXX to a full-fledged job control language in z/OS. You still need JCL to start it. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 16:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87wpx5tl2j.fsf@lhwserver.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #149523 |
Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: > I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic > operating systems! re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes some of that are customers ... they have business critical legacy application and it is cheaper and the risk is lower just to keep it running in compatibility possibly the largest currrent customer of ibm mainframes is the financial industry. large part of the financial industry in the later half of the 90s invested billions in re-engineering critical legacy applications and the new versions failed miserably ... from then on it was cheaper to just let them continue (it might take decades and new generation before it was tried again). a couple recent posts mentioning the 90s financial re-engineering failures http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#65 A New Performance Model ? there have been newer operating systems like TYMSHARE's GNOSIS operating system for 370. When MD bought TYMSHARE they spun off GNOSIS for KeyKOS (disclaimer I was brought in to do GNOSIS review as part of the spin-off). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOSIS GNOSIS: A Prototype Operating System for the 1990s http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~KeyKOS/Gnosis/Gnosis.html above mentions LSRAD report ... which I've scanned & uploaded to bitsavers http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/share/ also https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_ibmshareTh_154513217 ... GNOSIS foundation for KeyKOS, EROS, CapROS and Coytos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeyKOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EROS_%28microkernel%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapROS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyotos -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 00:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1264341184460772817.037441peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #149525 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: >> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >> operating systems! > > re: > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes > > some of that are customers ... they have business critical legacy > application and it is cheaper and the risk is lower just to keep it > running in compatibility > > possibly the largest currrent customer of ibm mainframes is the > financial industry. large part of the financial industry in the later > half of the 90s invested billions in re-engineering critical legacy > applications and the new versions failed miserably ... from then on it > was cheaper to just let them continue (it might take decades and new > generation before it was tried again). a couple recent posts mentioning > the 90s financial re-engineering failures > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the > Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#65 A New Performance Model ? > > there have been newer operating systems like TYMSHARE's GNOSIS operating > system for 370. When MD bought TYMSHARE they spun off GNOSIS for KeyKOS > (disclaimer I was brought in to do GNOSIS review as part of the > spin-off). > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOSIS > GNOSIS: A Prototype Operating System for the 1990s > http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~KeyKOS/Gnosis/Gnosis.html > > above mentions LSRAD report ... which I've scanned & uploaded to > bitsavers > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/share/ > also > https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_ibmshareTh_154513217 > > ... GNOSIS foundation for KeyKOS, EROS, CapROS and Coytos > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeyKOS > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EROS_%28microkernel%29 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CapROS > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyotos > Unix and unix-like OSs date from around 1970, so pretty archaic there too. -- Pete'
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| From | Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 06:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d2obsjFj934U9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149527 |
On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 00:26:42 +0000, Peter Flass wrote: > Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: >> Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: >>> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >>> operating systems! >> > Unix and unix-like OSs date from around 1970, so pretty archaic there > too. You miss the point. Compare IBM operating systems (particularly things like CMS) in the mid-1980s, with something like VMS, of the same period. The IBM systems are really crude by comparison.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 09:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <871tfcifpz.fsf@lhwserver.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #149541 |
Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: > You miss the point. Compare IBM operating systems (particularly things > like CMS) in the mid-1980s, with something like VMS, of the same period. > > The IBM systems are really crude by comparison. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#82 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#83 Miniskirts and mainframes CMS was from mid-60s ... a descendant CTSS ... . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics As CP67/CMS grew, the group split off from the science center and moved to the 3rd flr taking over the (IBM) Boston programming center. When it outgrew the 3rd flr, it moved out to the vacant SBC bldg out in Burlington mall. I periodically mention that in the wake of the death of Future System project in the mid-70s, that the head of POK convinced corporate to kill off VM370/CMS, shutdown the Burlington Mall development group and move all the people to POK (or otherwise MVS/XA wouldn't ship on time in the 80s). They weren't going to tell the group until the very last minute but the information managed to leak (there was witch hunt looking for the source of the leak, fortunately for me, nobody gave the leaker up) and lots of people managed to escape and stay in the rt.128 area. There is a joke tha tthe head of POK was one of the largest contributors to VMS. At least one of the people from Burlington Mall group went to Prime (as did some number of Multics people). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Computer The company was successful in the 1970s and 1980s, peaking in 1988 at number 334 of the Fortune 500. In 1985 the company was the 6th largest in the minicomputer sector, with estimated revenues of US $564 million [1] Much of this was based on the US Banking industry where the Pr1me Info database was widely accepted. ... snip ... something similar can be seen in the VAX numbers ... referenced here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#0 ... with workstations and large PCs starting to take over the midrange market (4300s experienced similar fate). In the early 80s, I tried to get a project to do a brand new system ... and held a advanced technology conference on the subject ... mentioned here http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a I had envisioned something similar to the original cp67/cms group. The original virtual memory system for the 360/67 was suppose to be TSS/360 ... and before imploding it was reported to have had 1200 people (greater than 100 times, two orders of magnitude, more than the cp67/cms group). My proposal got absorbed into an official corporate sponsored effort ... and imploded when it had 300-600 people writing design specifications. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#27 VM/SP sites that allow free access? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#25 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#53 TSS/360 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#46 Blinking lights http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#14 Z/OS--anything new? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007h.html#57 ANN: Microsoft goes Open Source http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008m.html#63 CHROME and WEB apps on Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#17 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer (warning: Conley rant) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010e.html#72 Entry point for a Mainframe? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#51 Information on obscure text editors wanted http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#20 IBM Future System http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#35 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#57 Regarding Time Sharing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013.html#8 Is Microsoft becoming folklore? -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 21:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq6bek$690$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149525 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes: > Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: >> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >> operating systems! > > re: > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes > > some of that are customers ... they have business critical legacy > application and it is cheaper and the risk is lower just to keep it > running in compatibility I find it hard to accept that the OS can't be improved without compromising compatibility. This is software, it's almost infinitely expandable. -- Dan Espen
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 18:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cebd9c12-ddb6-44a6-bdf0-df832b2b698c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #149532 |
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 9:48:39 PM UTC-4, D_J_E wrote: > I find it hard to accept that the OS can't be improved without > compromising compatibility. IBM has done a done of stuff "under the hood" to improve the performance of MVS (now Z/OS).
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 19:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <87si7ttd42.fsf@lhwserver.localdomain> |
| In reply to | #149532 |
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: > I find it hard to accept that the OS can't be improved without > compromising compatibility. > > This is software, it's almost infinitely expandable. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#82 Miniskirts and mainframes they went thru 24bit to 31bit to 64bit ... and they are still expanding on the 64bit support. with a drastically reduced market size and lots of customers focused on compatibility and maintenance ... they don't have the large thousands of programmers any more. Its pretty much a static and even declining market ... so unlikely they would be attacting many new customers (there is still even periodic discussion about CSA storage that has to be located in the first 16mbytes of memory). as previous posts about the latest mainframes versus servers ... mainframe systems are still running several hundred thousand $$$ per BIPS while servers are pushing into the under $1/BIPS range. Also existing market is looking at moving more & more things to the cloud ... which is all server technology (big megadatacenters with hundreds of thousands of systems). I found 1qtr2014 mainframe financials ... which was the equivalent of 14 max-configured EC12s, 56 max-configured EC12s on annualized basis (several years of EC12s sales would be handled by a single processor chip wafer run, which possibly contributed to the decision to unload there chip manufacturing foundaries). recent refs: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#82 Is there an Inventory of the Installed Mainframe Systems Worldwide I've also conjectured the megadatacenters required using open-source software ... since there was a whole lot of evoluation had to occur for several hundred thousand system megadatacenter environment (compared to the dominant closed proprietary mainframe operating system). recent posts mentioning megadatacenter http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#35 [CM] IBM releases Z13 Mainframe - looks like Batman http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#46 Why on Earth Is IBM Still Making Mainframes? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#78 Is there an Inventory of the Inalled Mainframe Systems Worldwide http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015.html#82 Is there an Inventory of the Installed Mainframe Systems Worldwide http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#57 Economics of Mainframe Technology http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015c.html#30 IBM Z13 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#69 Cambridge's HPC-as-a-service for boffins, big and small http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#0 What are some of your thoughts on future of mainframe in terms of Big Data? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#5 Can you have a robust IT system that needs experts to run it?</a> http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#35 Moving to the Cloud -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 22:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq6eqo$mvv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149537 |
Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes: > Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> writes: >> I find it hard to accept that the OS can't be improved without >> compromising compatibility. >> >> This is software, it's almost infinitely expandable. > > re: > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#70 Miniskirts and mainframes > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#80 Miniskirts and mainframes > http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#82 Miniskirts and mainframes > > > they went thru 24bit to 31bit to 64bit ... and they are still expanding > on the 64bit support. with a drastically reduced market size and lots of > customers focused on compatibility and maintenance ... they don't have > the large thousands of programmers any more. Its pretty much a static > and even declining market ... so unlikely they would be attacting many > new customers (there is still even periodic discussion about CSA storage > that has to be located in the first 16mbytes of memory). Wow. All the stuff I support has been in ECSA for decades. CSA never comes up. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 21:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mq69oh$rd3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149523 |
Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> writes: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:00:51 -0700, hancock4 wrote: > >> Generally, minis were less powerful, simpler, and cheaper than >> mainframes of its era. Generally, they had slower periperhals and >> simpler operating systems. > > I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic > operating systems! I think you're on to something. That's certainly something that comes to mind when I think of a mainframe. -- Dan Espen
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 14:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <q4ednbiXDe3Sz1rInZ2dnUU78VudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #149529 |
Dan Espen wrote: > Bob Eager writes: > >> hancock4 wrote: >> >>> Generally, minis were less powerful, simpler, and cheaper than >>> mainframes of its era. Generally, they had slower periperhals >>> and simpler operating systems. >> >> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >> operating systems! > > I think you're on to something. That's certainly something that comes > to mind when I think of a mainframe. As much as I used to love VMS, no doubt many [not here necessarily] would now consider it archaic no matter how serviceability it remains, so your comments would apply to minis too. In the early 90's ISTR Digital tried to promote the VAX 10000 as a mainframe, I only used of them, but it just looked like a longer row of racks to me ...
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| From | hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 18:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34bd9d6c-0de8-4b1a-9020-2ea2ca5f1fce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #149523 |
On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-4, Bob Eager wrote: > I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic > operating systems! What exactly do you mean by "archaic"? That has a negative tone.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 06:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d2obu7Fj934U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149533 |
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:52:16 -0700, hancock4 wrote: > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-4, Bob Eager wrote: > > >> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >> operating systems! > > What exactly do you mean by "archaic"? That has a negative tone. Old fashioned. Relatively hard to use. Undeveloped. Yes, negative.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-09 12:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00051CE02802FA0A@aca46caf.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #149542 |
Bob Eager wrote: > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 18:52:16 -0700, hancock4 wrote: > >> On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-4, Bob Eager wrote: >> >> >>> I would contend that perhaps mainframes had (and have) more archaic >>> operating systems! >> >> What exactly do you mean by "archaic"? That has a negative tone. > > Old fashioned. Relatively hard to use. Undeveloped. > > Yes, negative. Have you ever used TOPS-20? Even TOPS-10 was easy enough to train mentally deficient people to use it. /BAH
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