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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95

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  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-20 14:49 +0000
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-06-20 16:25 +0100
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-20 15:31 +0000
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 13:53 -0500
      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-20 17:00 -0500
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 19:06 -0500
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2015-06-21 10:42 -0400
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-21 13:39 -0500
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-21 21:20 +0000
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 20:57 +0100
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-21 12:11 +0000
        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-21 07:43 -0500
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-21 08:21 -0500
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-21 08:34 -0500
            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 05:59 +1000
              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 21:26 +0100
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:02 +1000
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-22 03:33 +0100
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 14:42 +1000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:57 -0500
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-22 13:39 -0500
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 05:22 +1000
                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-21 19:06 -0500
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:03 +0000
                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-06-22 13:45 -0700
                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-22 16:17 -0500
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 09:31 +1000
                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-06-23 11:40 -0700
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-06-23 12:42 -0700
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-06-24 10:44 -0700
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 06:32 +1000
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-24 17:23 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 09:16 +1000
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-24 19:01 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-06-25 08:43 -0700
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-25 11:24 -0500
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-25 18:15 +0000
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-25 15:10 -0500
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-06-26 06:51 +0100
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-26 08:49 -0500
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 05:17 +1000
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:59 +1000
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 05:28 +1000
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2015-08-28 12:26 -0400
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 13:34 -0500
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 13:16 -0700
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-30 20:00 -0500
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 14:48 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-31 13:30 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-01 12:50 +0000
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0500
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 18:49 +0000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-02 12:41 +0000
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 13:54 +0000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 09:41 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 15:41 +0000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-02 11:05 -0700
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 18:32 +0000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-02 22:39 -0700
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-03 16:38 +0000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-03 21:35 +0100
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-02 21:07 +0200
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0500
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 11:05 +0200
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-03 15:37 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-09 14:59 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-09 13:21 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-10 00:04 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-09 14:38 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-09 16:40 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-09 17:19 -0500
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-02 21:08 +0200
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 13:01 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 11:01 -0700
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 06:04 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 16:30 +0000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 06:24 +1000
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-02 10:09 -0700
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 17:21 +0000
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 19:12 +0000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 10:51 +0200
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-02 16:02 -0500
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 05:47 +1000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:37 +0000
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-30 18:06 -0500
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:49 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-30 19:49 -0500
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 09:16 -0500
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-31 11:25 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 23:10 -0500
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-01 11:12 -0500
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-23 20:21 +0000
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-06-23 18:39 -0600
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-24 09:31 -0500
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 12:27 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 14:00 -0400
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-24 22:30 +0000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-06-24 23:08 -0700
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-06-25 10:25 -0700
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-25 13:32 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-25 19:09 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-06-25 19:37 -0700
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-06-25 21:51 -0500
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 14:48 +1000
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 05:39 +1000
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 20:12 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-25 12:20 +0200
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 16:13 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-24 13:20 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-24 22:30 +0000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-25 00:51 +0100
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 10:02 +1000
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-24 19:06 -0500
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-25 00:00 -0500
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-26 15:58 -0700
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-24 22:30 +0000
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-06-24 19:58 -0700
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 13:53 +1000
                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-23 16:25 -0400
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-23 17:23 -0500
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-23 21:48 -0400
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-24 11:08 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 12:28 -0400
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-24 11:50 -0500
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 13:15 -0400
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-24 12:33 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 13:59 -0400
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-06-24 08:53 +0100
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2015-07-16 19:00 -0400
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 06:39 +1000
                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2015-07-16 18:53 -0400
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 09:59 +1000
                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-16 20:55 -0400
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 08:45 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 12:10 -0400
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 12:01 -0500
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-17 11:52 -0700
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-07-18 00:41 -0300
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 15:21 -0400
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-17 20:04 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 16:18 -0400
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-18 10:34 +0000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 11:07 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-18 16:38 +0000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 07:39 +1000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-19 11:32 +0000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:53 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 19:56 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-18 13:26 -0400
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-18 14:15 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 08:24 +1000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-18 18:55 -0400
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-18 19:15 +0000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 08:21 +1000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-19 01:51 +0100
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:23 +1000
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-19 11:32 +0000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:58 +1000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:55 +0000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-20 10:38 +0000
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-20 15:51 +0000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-20 06:18 -0700
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-19 11:31 -0500
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:26 +1000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-18 18:59 -0400
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 10:29 +1000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:12 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 19:52 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-19 09:50 +0000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:15 -0500
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-19 20:17 +0000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-19 17:33 -0700
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 11:05 +1000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-20 00:37 -0700
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 18:04 +1000
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-20 07:44 -0500
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-20 09:00 -0700
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-20 09:54 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-20 17:32 -0500
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-20 19:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-21 13:30 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-21 16:05 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-21 13:18 +1000
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:55 +0000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-20 10:38 +0000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-19 10:22 -0700
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-19 20:17 +0000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 08:29 +1000
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-19 17:31 -0700
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-20 13:31 +0000
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 07:34 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-19 11:32 +0000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-19 07:56 -0500
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:45 +1000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 11:17 -0500
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-20 07:39 +1000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-18 13:19 -0400
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-18 19:19 +0100
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 07:57 +1000
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 07:43 +1000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-18 10:29 -0700
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-18 10:37 -0700
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-18 18:39 +0100
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-21 18:41 -0700
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-18 19:59 +0000
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-19 07:28 +1000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 08:37 +1000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-20 07:46 -0700
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 16:44 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-18 14:06 -0500
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-18 18:51 -0400
                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 09:55 -0500
                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 12:08 -0400
                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 11:45 -0500
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 13:06 -0400
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 17:10 -0500
                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-17 11:34 -0700
                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-17 19:18 +0000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-17 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 16:19 -0400
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 16:13 -0500
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-17 20:28 +0000
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-17 16:34 -0400
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-21 17:42 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-21 20:43 -0700
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-21 23:24 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-21 22:16 -0700
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 07:22 -0700
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-22 11:08 -0700
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 06:15 +1000
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 13:32 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 05:48 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 13:15 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 06:17 +1000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-07-24 13:47 +0100
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-18 08:40 +1000
                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-20 07:39 -0700
                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-20 11:10 -0500
                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-20 11:32 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-20 12:59 -0500
                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-21 11:00 -0500
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-21 17:25 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-22 05:54 +0100
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 10:22 -0500
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-22 16:55 +0100
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 12:20 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 11:02 -0700
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 16:49 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 08:14 +1000
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-22 22:21 +0000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 10:33 +1000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 05:23 +1000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-23 15:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-24 10:44 +0000
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-07-24 17:54 +0200
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-24 17:26 +0100
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 22:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-08-02 19:03 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-02 19:24 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-05 12:40 +0200
                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 14:36 -0500
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-08-09 10:45 +0200
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-10 10:54 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 08:06 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 09:13 -0500
                                                                  Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-07-24 14:30 +0000
                                                                    Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 10:29 -0500
                                                                      minor corrction, was: Drug problems,, was .... danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-07-24 15:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 11:14 -0500
                                                                      Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 10:21 -0700
                                                                        Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 13:18 -0500
                                                                      Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 03:55 +1000
                                                                      Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-07-24 19:22 +0200
                                                                    Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 09:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-24 20:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: Drug problems,, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 11:31 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 09:44 -0500
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 10:11 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 11:10 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 10:06 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 04:17 +1000
                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-25 10:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 20:37 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 09:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-24 13:12 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-24 11:21 -0700
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 14:09 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 06:24 +1000
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-24 20:41 +0000
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 18:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-25 11:21 -0400
                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 09:52 -0500
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-28 05:24 +1000
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-27 08:03 -0700
                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 13:36 -0500
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-28 05:34 +1000
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-27 21:40 +0200
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-28 13:12 -0700
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-28 17:34 -0700
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 16:45 +1000
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-27 07:57 -0700
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-28 05:26 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-07-24 18:16 +0200
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 04:10 +1000
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-24 14:34 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 06:26 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-25 03:47 +1000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 22:50 +0000
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-23 11:27 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 05:14 +1000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 06:06 +1000
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:52 +0200
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-10 11:16 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:09 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-10 12:37 -0500
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:50 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 13:12 -0700
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 15:24 -0500
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-11 12:55 -0400
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-11 09:32 -0500
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 20:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-10 19:25 -0400
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:41 +0000
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 21:57 +0000
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-12 18:25 -0500
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 13:09 -0700
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 23:40 +0000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 08:22 -0700
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 09:57 -0700
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 13:01 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 12:11 -0700
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 15:16 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-22 22:21 +0000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:35 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-22 08:36 +1000
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-22 02:19 +0100
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 13:05 -0500
                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 09:26 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-22 16:02 +0000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 10:09 -0700
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-23 06:01 +1000
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 15:42 -0500
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 14:26 -0700
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-22 22:21 +0000
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-23 11:10 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-23 11:15 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-23 16:51 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 05:26 +1000
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 12:47 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-22 09:46 -0700
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-22 13:51 -0500
                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-22 18:28 +0100
                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 10:11 -0500
                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-27 16:26 +0100
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-27 11:01 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 13:45 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-27 21:54 +0100
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 16:46 -0500
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-29 02:23 +0200
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-28 20:30 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 16:36 -0700
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 12:08 -0500
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 07:14 -0700
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-29 12:38 -0500
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 16:43 -0700
                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-29 09:24 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-29 15:46 +0100
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-29 12:49 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-07-29 21:01 +0100
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-29 16:55 -0500
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 12:12 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-31 06:28 +1000
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 16:53 -0700
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 10:49 -0500
                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 11:20 -0700
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-30 17:19 +1000
                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 13:45 -0500
                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-31 02:09 +0100
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 14:17 +1000
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-31 14:03 +0000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-31 12:13 +0000
                                                                  speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-07-31 12:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Wolstenholme <stephenwolstenholme@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-31 14:05 +0100
                                                                      Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-31 12:05 -0400
                                                                        Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-31 10:58 -0500
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2015-07-31 23:04 +0100
                                                                            Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-01 09:33 +1000
                                                                              Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2015-08-01 16:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-02 05:59 +1000
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 18:10 -0500
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-01 09:27 +1000
                                                                    Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-31 18:00 +0000
                                                                    Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-01 12:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 05:57 +1000
                                                                      Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-02 13:50 +0100
                                                                        Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-03 04:41 +1000
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-02 19:52 +0100
                                                                            Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-02 22:35 +0100
                                                                            Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-02 14:26 -0500
                                                                              Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:20 +1000
                                                                            Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-03 09:12 +1000
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-02 21:34 +0000
                                                                            Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-03 09:26 +1000
                                                                              Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-03 07:25 +0000
                                                                      Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-02 09:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-02 19:57 +1000
                                                                          Re: speed bumps, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-02 10:16 +0000
                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-31 09:03 -0500
                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-31 18:00 +0000
                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-31 17:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-01 01:58 +0000
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-01 10:41 -0700
                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-01 14:11 -0500
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-02 06:02 +1000
                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-01 21:16 +0100
                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-01 15:58 -0500
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-02 01:22 +0100
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-03 13:43 -0500
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-02 12:43 +0000
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 04:42 +1000
                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-03 13:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 04:45 +1000
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-03 14:14 -0500
                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-05 08:03 -0700
                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-05 12:55 -0500
                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 05:59 +1000
                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-02 11:07 -0700
                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-03 14:52 -0500
                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 20:23 +0000
                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-03 16:52 -0500
                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-04 18:12 +0000
                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-04 15:57 -0500
                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-04 16:39 -0500
                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:59 -0500
                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-08-05 00:48 -0400
                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-05 08:08 -0700
                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-05 10:48 -0500
                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-05 23:21 +0100
                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-06 07:19 -0500
                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-06 16:54 +0100
                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 12:22 -0500
                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +0000
                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0500
                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-06 15:07 -0400
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 12:58 -0500
                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-06 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 23:04 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-06 20:28 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-06 22:36 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-07 07:24 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-07 09:59 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:48 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-07 19:58 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 13:42 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 07:45 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:43 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 11:00 -0700
                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 12:43 -0500
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-06 13:20 -0500
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0100
                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 16:03 -0500
                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 08:35 +1000
                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 15:14 -0500
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 08:32 +1000
                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 10:32 -0700
                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 23:04 +0000
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 13:42 +1000
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-07 09:00 +0000
                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 05:30 +1000
                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 10:23 -0500
                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-06 17:14 +0100
                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +0000
                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 12:37 -0500
                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-06 19:17 +0100
                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 12:45 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-06 15:29 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-06 13:56 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:56 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-07 05:22 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:12 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 07:55 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:59 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 19:05 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 08:49 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-09 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 20:44 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-08 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:38 +1000
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 07:50 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-07 11:52 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:50 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-07 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-07 13:02 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-07 11:52 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-07 13:23 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 06:35 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 17:05 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-08 08:59 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:45 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-09 11:03 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-09 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-07 08:09 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 04:54 +1000
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-07 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-07 21:04 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-08 13:46 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 09:48 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-09 03:08 +1000
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-08 08:51 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 09:54 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-09 03:03 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-08 12:19 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-08 11:03 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-09 04:37 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 19:15 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-08 22:00 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-09 14:16 +1000
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-09 21:53 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:56 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-07 21:27 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-08 08:53 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:23 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:09 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 10:20 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 10:35 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 13:05 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-29 15:56 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-09 10:58 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 08:30 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-10 14:35 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-10 14:50 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-10 19:19 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:50 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-11 12:51 -0400
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 07:10 -0700
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                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:03 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-12 03:54 +1000
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-11 12:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 19:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-12 10:36 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:47 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 12:09 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 03:56 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 04:03 +1000
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-11 18:22 -0400
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 14:50 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-11 19:27 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:23 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-13 04:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:25 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-13 08:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-13 14:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: religious history, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 21:12 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 06:06 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-08-12 09:41 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-10 22:13 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-12 00:36 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-11 20:50 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-12 02:05 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:40 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:10 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:05 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 08:39 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-13 18:43 -0400
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 12:39 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: vietnam, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-13 22:23 +0000
                                                                                                                              US Visas,was: vietnam, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-08-13 22:37 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-14 00:29 -0400
                                                                                                                              Re: Canada, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-14 01:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Canada, was 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 11:11 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-14 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-13 23:39 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 10:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-08-14 15:15 -0300
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-14 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-08-15 03:52 -0300
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-14 15:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:45 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 12:32 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-13 22:09 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-14 06:11 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 07:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 08:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 16:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 09:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 10:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 11:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 11:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-14 14:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-15 14:12 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:20 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 12:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:25 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-14 18:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 13:39 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-15 12:24 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-15 19:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-16 12:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-17 11:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-17 17:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 13:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-17 14:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-19 12:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 15:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-19 16:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-20 10:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 07:39 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 09:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-26 10:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 09:40 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-27 00:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 17:01 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-27 11:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-27 12:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-27 14:23 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 06:01 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-27 13:35 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 06:14 +1000
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                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-21 16:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-22 00:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 13:21 +1000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:00 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-22 08:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:22 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:31 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-25 17:50 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 10:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-26 12:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-27 01:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 08:52 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-27 13:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 11:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 11:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 11:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:16 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 10:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 22:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-29 16:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 16:24 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 22:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-29 17:40 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-26 00:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-26 18:04 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 11:14 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-26 06:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 09:41 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-26 10:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 09:00 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 16:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-28 09:06 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-26 10:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-26 16:08 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 11:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 19:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 09:06 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 21:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-28 23:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 15:54 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-29 06:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 06:17 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 15:50 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-29 14:05 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 22:52 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 10:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-31 21:35 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 14:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-02 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-29 12:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-29 06:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:42 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 22:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-29 14:34 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 05:45 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-29 11:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-29 09:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-30 06:21 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-22 16:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:55 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 05:24 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-27 13:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 05:26 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 16:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-27 14:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-27 14:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 08:25 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-27 18:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 13:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-27 20:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-28 16:37 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-28 08:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 11:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-28 13:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-28 19:10 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 09:16 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 19:31 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-31 13:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 09:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 13:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 13:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-03 17:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 05:43 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ibmekon - 2015-08-31 20:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 06:03 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 11:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:44 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 09:14 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-30 08:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-30 06:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-30 10:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:13 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:08 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-30 08:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 11:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-28 09:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 10:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-28 12:18 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 09:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 12:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 10:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-28 17:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 12:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-04 14:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:32 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-28 17:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 12:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-30 08:43 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-26 10:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 13:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-28 11:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 06:00 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 09:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 16:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 11:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-30 08:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 08:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 15:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 11:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:37 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:37 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:14 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-29 13:41 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-29 23:24 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 05:44 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 09:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:24 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-30 20:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 13:48 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-30 23:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 15:10 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-31 13:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 09:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-31 16:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:44 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-01 05:15 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 09:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-31 13:48 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-01 05:04 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-31 14:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-31 11:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 13:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-31 21:27 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-01 05:26 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-31 21:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-31 11:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-01 04:55 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-08-31 22:40 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-01 15:11 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 18:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-01 17:15 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 10:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-04 15:22 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-05 01:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-05 17:04 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-05 13:04 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: a long poisonous way from 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-09-05 14:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-05 12:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-09-05 15:58 -0300
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-08 07:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-08 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-09 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-09 11:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-08 07:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-02 12:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-01 17:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 09:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-01 04:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-01 23:21 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-01 23:45 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-02 14:49 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-02 12:42 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 09:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-02 15:43 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 11:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 09:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 13:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 18:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-03 00:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 11:17 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-03 10:59 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-09-03 14:18 -0300
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-03 11:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-04 08:44 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 15:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-08 13:46 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-02 18:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-03 20:01 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-03 16:15 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-04 08:46 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 15:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-04 17:58 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-04 19:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-04 23:38 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-03 13:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-03 14:43 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-03 16:39 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-03 18:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-03 14:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-04 04:33 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 05:31 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-02 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-02 20:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-02 17:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-09-03 14:55 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 08:24 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 17:17 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-03 01:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-02 19:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 07:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 07:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Bill Marcum <bill.marcum57@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 09:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-18 14:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-19 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-09-03 06:16 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-02 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:16 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-28 12:10 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-28 09:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-28 12:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-28 14:14 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:46 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:29 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-28 15:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 09:09 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:20 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-29 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 20:50 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-29 10:19 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-29 15:56 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2015-09-14 12:13 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-29 05:07 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-30 07:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-30 15:47 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-30 16:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-30 10:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:47 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-31 06:21 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-27 08:12 +1000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-25 17:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-26 02:25 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 10:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-27 16:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 09:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-21 11:47 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-21 12:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-21 16:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 13:22 +1000
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-21 23:30 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:39 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-22 12:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-22 14:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 09:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-23 11:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 10:30 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 10:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 15:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-23 17:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 07:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 08:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-24 15:40 -0400
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-24 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-24 22:12 -0400
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-25 16:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-25 17:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-26 09:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-22 13:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-22 21:23 -0400
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 13:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-17 12:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-17 14:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 12:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 14:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-18 17:36 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 11:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 10:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 12:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 19:52 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 13:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-14 21:34 +0100
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-15 10:16 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-14 17:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-14 22:47 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-14 15:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-15 09:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-14 15:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-14 16:36 -0400
                                                                                                                                        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-08-16 14:47 -0300
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 05:01 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 16:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-17 08:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:20 +1000
                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-18 12:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-18 08:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:33 +1000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-18 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 16:03 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 05:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-17 17:25 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 17:42 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 09:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:50 +1000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:56 +1000
                                                                                                                                                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:35 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-17 23:58 +0200

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#148395

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2015-07-17 16:18 -0400
Message-ID<mobnru$cjb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#148393
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>> 
>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>> 
>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>> 
>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>> 
>>> No, it hasn't.
>>> 
>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>> 
>>> FSVO "people".
>>> 
>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>> 
>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>> 
>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>> 
>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>> 
>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>> 
>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>   welfare payments from the government.
>> 
>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>
> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
> low end.

Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
of any project.

I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#148416

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-18 10:34 +0000
Message-ID<1656635458908309.610258peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148395
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>> 
>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>> 
>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>> 
>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>> 
>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>> 
>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>> 
>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>> 
>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>> 
>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>> 
>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>> 
>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>> 
>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>> low end.
> 
> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
> of any project.
> 
> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.

Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.

-- 
Peteo

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#148436

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-18 11:07 -0500
Message-ID<rcukqa9rndofindist4q48v7qp8efjpb0r@4ax.com>
In reply to#148416
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
wrote:
>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>>>> low end.
>>> 
>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
>>> of any project.
>>> 
>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>
>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>
>You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>
>Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>studies before you start.
>
>From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>
>Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>was already underway.
>
>Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>widen the streets that feed into the intersection.

How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
-- 
JimP.

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#148437

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-18 16:38 +0000
Message-ID<1557368446458930317.428278peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148436
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>>>>> low end.
>>>> 
>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
>>>> of any project.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>> 
>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>> 
>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>> 
>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>> studies before you start.
>> 
>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>> 
>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>> was already underway.
>> 
>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
> 
> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.

Railroads too.  Nowadays you wouldn't want to do much without equipment,
but some hand digging around pipes and power lines, and much of the
landscaping, would be ideal for hand work.

-- 
Pete

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#148470

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-19 07:39 +1000
Message-ID<d0vvkvF836lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148437

"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1557368446458930317.428278peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] 
>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem 
>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF. 
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for 
>>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, 
>>>>>>> Gingrich
>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax 
>>>>>>> incentives
>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich 
>>>>>>> cited
>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of 
>>>>>>> where he
>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively 
>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by 
>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the 
>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling. 
>>>>>> Hire
>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly 
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> low end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor 
>>>>> part
>>>>> of any project.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>>
>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition 
>>>> of
>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>>
>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>>
>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>> studies before you start.
>>>
>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>>
>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>> was already underway.
>>>
>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>>
>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>
> Railroads too.  Nowadays you wouldn't want to do much without equipment,
> but some hand digging around pipes and power lines,

It makes no sense at all to do that with shovels today.

and much of the
> landscaping, would be ideal for hand work.

No landscaping is done with shovels. I don’t even do
the vegys with a shovel, I use a fork and would use a
rotary hoe if I could find one at a yard sale cheap.

I didn’t do anything with a shovel when building the
house on a bare block of land. I used a fucking great
road grader initially and when the house was finished
I used the blade on the front of a backhoe to move the
dirt level with the house which sits quite low on the
ground on a concrete slab. 

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#148500

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-19 11:32 +0000
Message-ID<2032485663458997732.032146peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148470
"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1557368446458930317.428278peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] >>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, >>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem >>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF. >>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone >>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for >>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, >>>>>>> Gingrich
>>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for >>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax >>>>>>> incentives
>>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich >>>>>>> cited
>>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of >>>>>>> where he
>>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively >>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by >>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the >>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out >>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling. >>>>>> Hire
>>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it >>>>>> was
>>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly >>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> low end.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor >>>>> part
>>>>>> of any project.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition >>>> of
>>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>>> 
>>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>>> studies before you start.
>>>> 
>>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>>> 
>>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>>> was already underway.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>>> 
>>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>> 
>> Railroads too.  Nowadays you wouldn't want to do much without equipment,
>> but some hand digging around pipes and power lines,
> 
> It makes no sense at all to do that with shovels today.
> 
> and much of the
>> landscaping, would be ideal for hand work.
> 
> No landscaping is done with shovels. I don’t even do
> the vegys with a shovel, I use a fork and would use a
> rotary hoe if I could find one at a yard sale cheap.
> 
> I didn’t do anything with a shovel when building the
> house on a bare block of land. I used a fucking great
> road grader initially and when the house was finished
> I used the blade on the front of a backhoe to move the
> dirt level with the house which sits quite low on the
> ground on a concrete slab.

yes, but not if one of your goals is to create jobs quickly.

-- 
Pete

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#148562

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-20 07:53 +1000
Message-ID<d12kioFsfquU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148500

"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:2032485663458997732.032146peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1557368446458930317.428278peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] 
>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, 
>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem 
>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only 
>>>>>>>>>> TANF. >>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone 
>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 
>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> Gingrich
>>>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> incentives
>>>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> cited
>>>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> where he
>>>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the 
>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig 
>>>>>>>> out >>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling. 
>>>>>>>>  >>>>>> Hire
>>>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was 
>>>>>>>> it >>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly 
>>>>>>>>  >>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>> low end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor 
>>>>>>>  >>>>> part
>>>>>>> of any project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, 
>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a 
>>>>>> condition >>>> of
>>>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>>>> studies before you start.
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>>>> was already underway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>>>>
>>>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>>>
>>> Railroads too.  Nowadays you wouldn't want to do much without equipment,
>>> but some hand digging around pipes and power lines,
>>
>> It makes no sense at all to do that with shovels today.
>>
>> and much of the
>>> landscaping, would be ideal for hand work.
>>
>> No landscaping is done with shovels. I don’t even do
>> the vegys with a shovel, I use a fork and would use a
>> rotary hoe if I could find one at a yard sale cheap.
>>
>> I didn’t do anything with a shovel when building the
>> house on a bare block of land. I used a fucking great
>> road grader initially and when the house was finished
>> I used the blade on the front of a backhoe to move the
>> dirt level with the house which sits quite low on the
>> ground on a concrete slab.
>
> yes, but not if one of your goals is to create jobs quickly.

You don’t create any jobs quickly when those you demand
use shovels when machines do the job much better make
an obscene gesture in your general direction and tell you
to shove your job where the sun don’t shine. 

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#148493

FromJimP <solosam90@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-18 19:56 -0500
Message-ID<fbtlqapqfuo2chgrknvj6ue43k4ffulal1@4ax.com>
In reply to#148437
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:38:58 +0000 (UTC), Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>>>>>   in improving their lives?by building their own homes?than by receiving
>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>>>>>> low end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
>>>>> of any project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>> 
>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>> 
>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>> 
>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>> studies before you start.
>>> 
>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>> 
>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>> was already underway.
>>> 
>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>> 
>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>
>Railroads too.  Nowadays you wouldn't want to do much without equipment,
>but some hand digging around pipes and power lines, and much of the
>landscaping, would be ideal for hand work.

I slmost forgot. One of my uncles and a grandfather were on a work
crew during the Depression paving streets with bricks. They got paid
one dollar a day.
-- 
JimP.

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#148443

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2015-07-18 13:26 -0400
Message-ID<moe253$6bj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#148436
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>>>>> low end.
>>>> 
>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
>>>> of any project.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>
>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>
>>You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>
>>Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>studies before you start.
>>
>>From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>
>>Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>was already underway.
>>
>>Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>
> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.

I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
Here's a pic:

https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/

Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.

One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
by the use of gunpowder for excavation.

I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#148461

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-07-18 14:15 -0500
Message-ID<d0vmvgF5u2bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148443
"Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:moe253$6bj$2@dont-email.me...
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:

>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>
> I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
> Here's a pic:
>
> https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/
>
> Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.
>
> One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
> by the use of gunpowder for excavation.
>
> I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
> massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
> Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.

That reminded me of guys pulling a roller to buils an air field in China in 
WW II.

The story was that the US paid our ally, Chaing Kai Shek, in gold bullion to 
get this built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ouC0O_48kI 

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#148478

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-19 08:24 +1000
Message-ID<d1020sF8lobU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148461

"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:d0vmvgF5u2bU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote in message 
> news:moe253$6bj$2@dont-email.me...
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>>
>> I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
>> Here's a pic:
>>
>> https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/
>>
>> Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.
>>
>> One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
>> by the use of gunpowder for excavation.
>>
>> I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
>> massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
>> Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.
>
> That reminded me of guys pulling a roller to buils an air field in China 
> in WW II.
>
> The story was that the US paid our ally, Chaing Kai Shek, in gold bullion 
> to get this built.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ouC0O_48kI

That's a good example of the use of baskets instead of wheelbarrows
and looking at that footage, maybe the reason they prefer them is
because they work a lot better than wheelbarrows in that sort of
very uneven ground. 

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#148484

FromDan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Date2015-07-18 18:55 -0400
Message-ID<moele1$c7s$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#148461
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:

> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:moe253$6bj$2@dont-email.me...
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>>
>> I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
>> Here's a pic:
>>
>> https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/
>>
>> Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.
>>
>> One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
>> by the use of gunpowder for excavation.
>>
>> I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
>> massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
>> Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.
>
> That reminded me of guys pulling a roller to buils an air field in
> China in WW II.
>
> The story was that the US paid our ally, Chaing Kai Shek, in gold
> bullion to get this built.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ouC0O_48kI 

I think that's from a war show I remember.
They had the Chinese placing rounded rocks one by one
to make an airfield, and in another part of the show
they had the US laying down huge grids of steel.

-- 
Dan Espen

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#148463

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-18 19:15 +0000
Message-ID<208798701458939256.713877peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148443
Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] problem.
>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, and
>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem worse.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF.  You
>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone is
>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for welfare
>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich
>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for the
>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives
>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and
>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich cited
>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of where he
>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively involved
>>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by receiving
>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the old
>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out of the
>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling.  Hire
>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was it was
>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly on the
>>>>>> low end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor part
>>>>> of any project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, saying
>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>> 
>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a condition of
>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>> 
>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>> 
>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>> studies before you start.
>>> 
>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>> 
>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>> was already underway.
>>> 
>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>> 
>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
> 
> I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
> Here's a pic:
> 
> https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/
> 
> Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.

That's the Barge Canal, which was a later replacement for the original Erie
Canal.

> 
> One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
> by the use of gunpowder for excavation.
> 
> I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
> massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
> Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.

Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?

-- 
Pete

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#148477

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-19 08:21 +1000
Message-ID<d101r7F8kihU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148463

"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:208798701458939256.713877peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:11:24 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17-Jul-15 11:10, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any politician wanting to solve the [welfare] 
>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>> They just want to argue over how to fix it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you argue about _how_ to fix something, you must have already
>>>>>>>>> admitted that it's broken and _needs_ fixing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that the two sides disagree on _why_ it's broken, 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> each sees the other's solution as actually making the problem 
>>>>>>>>> worse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to explain that the problem HAS been solved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it hasn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet people still rant about "welfare".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FSVO "people".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, I'm open to opinions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are wrong, mostly because you think "welfare" means only TANF. 
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> are also completely ignoring the welfare trap; each program alone 
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> okay, but the _aggregate_ effect of them is a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fail to see how welfare can be a "trap" if it only lasts 2 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far are redefining "welfare" to be something other than AFDC and
>>>>>>>> TANF,  anyone can win an argument by changing the subject.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is what Newt complained about, right after the reforms:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   After the passage of the bill, Gingrich continued to press for 
>>>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>>>>   reform and increasing employment opportunities for welfare
>>>>>>>>   recipients. In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, 
>>>>>>>> Gingrich
>>>>>>>>   outlined a multi-step plan to improve economic opportunities for 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>   poor. The plan called for encouraging volunteerism and spiritual
>>>>>>>>   renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax 
>>>>>>>> incentives
>>>>>>>>   and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>   increasing property ownership for low-income families. Gingrich 
>>>>>>>> cited
>>>>>>>>   his volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity as an example of 
>>>>>>>> where he
>>>>>>>>   observed that it was more rewarding for people to be actively 
>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>   in improving their lives—by building their own homes—than by 
>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>   welfare payments from the government.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing really concrete there other than the old tax cuts, and the 
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> vague "more jobs" stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All those "shovel ready" projects the gov started to help us dig out 
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> Great Recession should have required a quota of actual shoveling. 
>>>>>>> Hire
>>>>>>> people, hand them a shovel, and let them earn a living.  As it was 
>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>> welfare for the contractors and created very few jobs, particularly 
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> low end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Modern construction techniques make human shoveling a really minor 
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of any project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just thinking about how we often see ridicule of workers, 
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>> they are standing around a hole leaning on their shovels.
>>>>>> At the time there was sweat pouring down my face, my shirt was
>>>>>> soaked, and damn it, I was leaning on my shovel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Normally a minor part, but that could easily have been made a 
>>>>> condition of
>>>>> the contract.  It's hard work, but it's a job.
>>>>
>>>> You can't really build much more than a ditch with a shovel.
>>>>
>>>> Besides "shovel ready" doesn't really mean you are going to use
>>>> a shovel.  It just means you don't have to spend years doing
>>>> studies before you start.
>>>>
>>>> From what I saw, they did pretty well in that respect.
>>>>
>>>> Near me, they just financed a large intersection re-work that
>>>> was already underway.
>>>>
>>>> Now that intersection flows pretty well, but they need to
>>>> widen the streets that feed into the intersection.
>>>
>>> How we forget... the Eirie Canal was build without power tools.
>>
>> I didn't forget, 35 years before I was born.
>> Here's a pic:
>>
>> https://bargeintobville.wordpress.com/about-lock-24/
>>
>> Third one down shows men with shovels and a crane.
>
> That's the Barge Canal, which was a later replacement for the original 
> Erie
> Canal.
>
>>
>> One of the pages I looked at says lots of men were killed
>> by the use of gunpowder for excavation.
>>
>> I've also seen pics of Chinese a couple of decades back doing
>> massive construction carrying dirt in baskets.
>> Nuts.  Make a wheelbarrow, then move the dirt.
>
> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?

Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.

I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter. 

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#148491

FromAndrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com>
Date2015-07-19 01:51 +0100
Message-ID<48GdnfqDF7bnaTfInZ2dnUU78RudnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#148477
On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>
>
> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
{snip}

>>
>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>
> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>
> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.

Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.

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#148494

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-19 11:23 +1000
Message-ID<d10cgpFavj5U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148491
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:48GdnfqDF7bnaTfInZ2dnUU78RudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> {snip}
>
>>>
>>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>>
>> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
>> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>>
>> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
>> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
>> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
>> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.
>
> Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.

And don’t work very well in the situation shown in that movie. 

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#148499

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-19 11:32 +0000
Message-ID<598881198458998153.963579peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148491
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> {snip}
> 
>>> 
>>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>> 
>> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
>> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>> 
>> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
>> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
>> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
>> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.
> 
> Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.

Good point. i've had experience trying to push a loaded wheelbarrow over
soft  ground, and it In't fun.  Nowadays there are wheelbarrows with
balloon tires that work better for this, but they probably weren't common
in China.  Also they may not have had enough wheelbarrows, but lots of
baskets. (or maybe it was  a Chinese WPA project)
-- 
Pete

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#148563

From"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
Date2015-07-20 07:58 +1000
Message-ID<d12krfFshsmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#148499

"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:598881198458998153.963579peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org...
> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> {snip}
>>
>>>>
>>>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>>>
>>> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
>>> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>>>
>>> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
>>> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
>>> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
>>> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.
>>
>> Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.
>
> Good point. i've had experience trying to push a loaded wheelbarrow over
> soft  ground, and it In't fun.  Nowadays there are wheelbarrows with
> balloon tires that work better for this, but they probably weren't common
> in China.

And still don’t work anywhere near as well as the baskets in the movie 
situation.

> Also they may not have had enough wheelbarrows, but lots of baskets.

Unlikely.

> (or maybe it was  a Chinese WPA project)

No it was not, that was a wartime airfield.

And the immense earth moving projects that the
chinese had done long before that used those
baskets, not wheelbarrows, because they worked
better for that.

The Japanese never bothered with
wheel barrows at all for some reason. 

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#148586

Fromgreymausg <maus@mail.com>
Date2015-07-20 07:55 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmqo3mg.2nu.maus@dmaus.org>
In reply to#148499
On 2015-07-19, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> {snip}
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>>> 
>>> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
>>> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>>> 
>>> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
>>> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
>>> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
>>> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.
>> 
>> Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.
>
> Good point. i've had experience trying to push a loaded wheelbarrow over
> soft  ground, and it In't fun.  Nowadays there are wheelbarrows with
> balloon tires that work better for this, but they probably weren't common
> in China.  Also they may not have had enough wheelbarrows, but lots of
> baskets. (or maybe it was  a Chinese WPA project)

There was a book, or books once about ancient Chinese technology.
 I read about it in the Whole Earth Catalog, which I cant consult
because it will fall apart. 


-- 
greymaus
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#148595

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2015-07-20 10:38 +0000
Message-ID<1113756940459081209.061439peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#148586
greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2015-07-19, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2015 23:21, kshy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> {snip}
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Didn't the Chinese invent the wheelbarrow?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes they did, but they didn’t use it in that situation
>>>> for some reason, likely because labor was so cheap.
>>>> 
>>>> I've seen them doing it like that myself, in Singapore
>>>> in the 50s and did wonder about that myself. Presumably
>>>> its done that way because the capital cost of the baskets
>>>> is much lower and the labor productivity doesn’t matter.
>>> 
>>> Or wheelbarrows get caught in the mud on paddy fields.
>> 
>> Good point. i've had experience trying to push a loaded wheelbarrow over
>> soft  ground, and it In't fun.  Nowadays there are wheelbarrows with
>> balloon tires that work better for this, but they probably weren't common
>> in China.  Also they may not have had enough wheelbarrows, but lots of
>> baskets. (or maybe it was  a Chinese WPA project)
> 
> There was a book, or books once about ancient Chinese technology.
>  I read about it in the Whole Earth Catalog, which I cant consult
> because it will fall apart. 
> 

Needham?


-- 
Pete

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