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| Started by | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| First post | 2015-06-27 14:10 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-06-28 18:39 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 204 — 31 participants |
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Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-27 14:10 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 08:08 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-28 15:38 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 07:01 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:45 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:08 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-02 00:01 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:39 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-01 16:41 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:42 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-03 12:55 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-04 08:48 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-28 15:46 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-28 16:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 08:22 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:56 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-29 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 16:17 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 10:22 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-29 10:30 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 18:42 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:13 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:12 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 19:40 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 20:48 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-30 20:50 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 14:09 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 17:06 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:00 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:40 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-03 09:28 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:36 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 15:27 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-07-03 14:41 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-06-30 17:51 -0600
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:33 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-29 20:04 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:27 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:02 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 08:38 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:16 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-30 12:17 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-29 09:50 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 12:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:40 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 09:25 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 17:23 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 12:39 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:10 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:29 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-02 16:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-02 11:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:41 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:55 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 19:05 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-02 21:58 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 04:59 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-01 09:18 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-01 11:34 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:15 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-06-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:29 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:36 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:28 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:29 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 06:56 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 09:03 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 10:01 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-02 16:36 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:56 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:55 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-02 16:10 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:48 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:51 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-04 06:39 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-02 11:59 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 11:50 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:42 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 10:03 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:21 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:45 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 17:07 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 18:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 15:02 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:54 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 08:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:53 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-03 12:24 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-03 14:12 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-04 11:41 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-04 14:17 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-04 11:59 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-06 10:56 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-07 16:18 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-04 13:55 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:40 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-04 20:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-05 13:49 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-05 09:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-05 17:49 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:45 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:03 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-05 23:23 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 15:43 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 16:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:43 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-05 16:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-06 13:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-07 05:42 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:20 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 15:40 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 06:46 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 18:07 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 08:33 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:08 -0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 13:26 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 17:41 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 05:00 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-09 00:29 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:45 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:35 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:15 -0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 10:09 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 16:25 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Hop David <hopd@nospam.cunews.info> - 2015-07-09 15:36 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:44 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 18:08 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 09:18 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-08 07:23 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 16:04 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 11:49 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 19:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:12 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:39 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 00:45 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 23:21 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 15:29 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-10 00:30 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:22 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:26 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-10 16:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 13:06 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-11 04:46 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:22 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:25 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 22:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-07 13:49 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:28 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:51 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:10 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:53 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lynn@garlic.com - 2015-06-29 17:36 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 11:23 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-06-30 14:07 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:14 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:34 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 09:42 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:47 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:12 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-29 07:05 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 10:41 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:22 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:59 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-07 10:14 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-06-28 12:03 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:54 +1000
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 05:39 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0810gF6g3pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148139 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:mnm9vg$4j9$1@dont-email.me... > On 09-Jul-15 10:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> On 09/07/2015 13:15, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>>>> The most effective birth control device ever invented is the >>>>>> electric light bulb. >>>>> >>>>> No, that is second to female education. But statistically >>>>> those go hand in hand. >>>> >>>> Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids >>>> lived. Then they can use their energy to do other things. > > In places where infant mortality is non-trivial, women generally don't > have a choice about getting pregnant. > > The electric light bulb is so effective because it reduces the average > darkness from 12 hours per day to 8 hours per day, which matches the > average sleep cycle--and directly translates to lower birth rates. Not in the third world in roman catholic and muslim countries it doesn’t. >>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >> >> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. > > Unless you're discussing societies (e.g. China and India) where female > fetuses are much more commonly aborted than male fetuses, leading to an > actual imbalance in the number of female vs male births, which in turn > has significant effects on society and future birth rates. > > OTOH, at least in China, female children are now becoming prized because > they can command very high prices from desperate grooms, They don’t have a bride price system. so this may be > a pendulum that swings back and forth rather than a permanent change. I > haven't heard of the same happening in India (yet).
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 00:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <QMydnT0ojtQImgLInZ2dnUU78VmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #148134 |
On 09/07/2015 16:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:23:34 +0100
> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
{snip}
>>
>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a girl.
>> If they have 2 the same try again.
>
> No need it'll balance out well enough on average.
>
Many women have only 1 child so we need families with 3 children to
maintain a static population size.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 23:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnnh5s$3j8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148166 |
On 09-Jul-15 18:45, Andrew Swallow wrote: > On 09/07/2015 16:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >> >> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. > > Many women have only 1 child so we need families with 3 children to > maintain a static population size. The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 rather than the 2.0 you'd expect; I'm not sure why. Most developed countries have a TFR below 2.1, whereas most developing countries have a TFR above 2.1, though there are notable exceptions on both sides. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite its infamous "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a lower TFR despite no such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of 1.11. Certain folks complain about high birth rates in Muslim and Catholic countries, often as a reason to restrict immigration from those places, but that doesn't explain these figures: Rank Country TFR 204 Italy 1.42 194 Spain 1.48 193 San Marino 1.49 190 Portugal 1.52 189 Monaco 1.52 167 Lebanon 1.74 155 Brazil 1.79 153 Bahrain 1.81 152 Brunei 1.82 150 Chile 1.84 148 Uruguay 1.84 146 Iran 1.85 139 Costa Rica 1.91 138 Azerbaijan 1.91 136 Qatar 1.92 133 El Salvador 1.95 131 Paraguay 1.96 128 Nicaragua 1.99 126 Tunisia 2.00 125 Ireland 2.00 117 Dominica 2.05 115 Colombia 2.07 114 Libya 2.07 113 Turkey 2.08 112 France 2.08 In reality, it is countries with _poor economies_ that have high birth rates--and an abundance of emigrants. Also, while immigrants have a birth rate in line with where they were born, their kids' birth rate is in line with the new country; it takes only _one_ generation for them to adapt to better economic and social conditions--and light bulbs. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 15:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d093iaFe9stU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148175 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:mnnh5s$3j8$1@dont-email.me... > On 09-Jul-15 18:45, Andrew Swallow wrote: >> On 09/07/2015 16:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >>> >>> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. >> >> Many women have only 1 child so we need families with 3 children to >> maintain a static population size. > > The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per > woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 > rather than the 2.0 you'd expect; It isn't actually, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate#Replacement_rates > I'm not sure why. Basically because of death of the mother in childbirth. > Most developed countries have a TFR below 2.1, whereas most developing > countries have a TFR above 2.1, though there are notable exceptions on > both sides. > > http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN > > https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html > > Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite its infamous > "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a lower TFR despite no > such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of 1.11. > > Certain folks complain about high birth rates in Muslim and Catholic > countries, often as a reason to restrict immigration from those places, > but that doesn't explain these figures: > > Rank Country TFR > 204 Italy 1.42 > 194 Spain 1.48 > 193 San Marino 1.49 > 190 Portugal 1.52 > 189 Monaco 1.52 > 167 Lebanon 1.74 > 155 Brazil 1.79 > 153 Bahrain 1.81 > 152 Brunei 1.82 > 150 Chile 1.84 > 148 Uruguay 1.84 > 146 Iran 1.85 > 139 Costa Rica 1.91 > 138 Azerbaijan 1.91 > 136 Qatar 1.92 > 133 El Salvador 1.95 > 131 Paraguay 1.96 > 128 Nicaragua 1.99 > 126 Tunisia 2.00 > 125 Ireland 2.00 > 117 Dominica 2.05 > 115 Colombia 2.07 > 114 Libya 2.07 > 113 Turkey 2.08 > 112 France 2.08 > > In reality, it is countries with _poor economies_ that have high birth > rates That mangles the real story utterly. > --and an abundance of emigrants. Also, while immigrants have a > birth rate in line with where they were born, their kids' birth rate is > in line with the new country; it takes only _one_ generation for them > to adapt to better economic and social conditions--and light bulbs. Its got nothing to do with light bulbs and most of them come from places that already have light bulbs.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 00:30 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnnl8k$cn1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148175 |
On 7/9/2015 11:21 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 09-Jul-15 18:45, Andrew Swallow wrote: >> On 09/07/2015 16:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >>> >>> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. >> >> Many women have only 1 child so we need families with 3 children to >> maintain a static population size. > > The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per > woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 rather > than the 2.0 you'd expect; I'm not sure why. I expect the 0.1 covers mortality of those who don't reproduce (children, but others as well).
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 10:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnonta$vom$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148177 |
On 10-Jul-15 00:30, Dave Garland wrote: > On 7/9/2015 11:21 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per >> woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 >> rather than the 2.0 you'd expect; I'm not sure why. > > I expect the 0.1 covers mortality of those who don't reproduce > (children, but others as well). If one woman has 0 children and another has 4 children, that results in a TFR of 2.0, not 2.1, yet the former _seems_ sufficient for replacement. But perhaps if the former dies very young, that skews the stats? S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 10:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnoo4l$rf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148175 |
On 10-Jul-15 05:44, Peter Flass wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite its >> infamous "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a lower >> TFR despite no such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of 1.11. > > China is now worried about population _decline_. They've relaxed the > "one child" policy, but now the growing number of middle-class > families don't want to have more than one. In advanced countries > children have ceased to be an asset (source of unpaid labor and > security in the parents' old age) and have become a liability > (clothing, swimming lessons, soccer camp, high-school prom, college, > etc.) Indeed; they needed the policy when most of their population was rural, but as they've urbanized (think light bulbs) over the last few decades, TFR has dropped on its own, and soon they will need a "third child" policy (as now seen in Australia, Denmark, etc.) just to maintain their population level. Or encourage immigration. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 16:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnosba1pdk@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #148190 |
On 2015-07-10, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 10-Jul-15 05:44, Peter Flass wrote: > >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> >>> Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite its >>> infamous "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a lower >>> TFR despite no such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of 1.11. >> >> China is now worried about population _decline_. They've relaxed the >> "one child" policy, but now the growing number of middle-class >> families don't want to have more than one. In advanced countries >> children have ceased to be an asset (source of unpaid labor and >> security in the parents' old age) and have become a liability >> (clothing, swimming lessons, soccer camp, high-school prom, college, >> etc.) > > Indeed; they needed the policy when most of their population was rural, > but as they've urbanized (think light bulbs) over the last few decades, > TFR has dropped on its own, and soon they will need a "third child" > policy (as now seen in Australia, Denmark, etc.) just to maintain their > population level. Or encourage immigration. Urbanization has its own problems - both social and economic - as increasing numbers of people crowd into decreasing space. Measuring population density by divding a country's area by its population is overly simplistic, since it implies a more even distribution. Remember the "global village" concept of the early '80s? What happend to it? -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 13:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnp1gl$5or$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148193 |
On 10-Jul-15 11:36, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-07-10, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 10-Jul-15 05:44, Peter Flass wrote: >>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>> Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite >>>> its infamous "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a >>>> lower TFR despite no such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of >>>> 1.11. >>> >>> China is now worried about population _decline_. They've relaxed >>> the "one child" policy, but now the growing number of >>> middle-class families don't want to have more than one. ... >> >> Indeed; they needed the policy when most of their population was >> rural, but as they've urbanized (think light bulbs) over the last >> few decades, TFR has dropped on its own, and soon they will need a >> "third child" policy (as now seen in Australia, Denmark, etc.) just >> to maintain their population level. Or encourage immigration. > > Urbanization has its own problems - both social and economic - as > increasing numbers of people crowd into decreasing space. Indeed, but the only factor relevant to this discussion is birth rate. > Measuring population density by divding a country's area by its > population is overly simplistic, since it implies a more even > distribution. I didn't say anything about population density, just birth rates. > Remember the "global village" concept of the early '80s? What > happend to it? It's now called the World Wide Web. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 10:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnoo79$rf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148175 |
On 10-Jul-15 05:14, Huge wrote: > On 2015-07-10, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per >> woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 >> rather than the 2.0 you'd expect; I'm not sure why. > > Because babies have a tiresome and upsetting propensity to die. If one female child dies, that means another female child needs to have four children of her own to compensate, but that still seems to result in a TFR of 2.0, not 2.1. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-11 04:46 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0ai7rFpslqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148175 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1018636238458217516.754527peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 09-Jul-15 18:45, Andrew Swallow wrote: >>> On 09/07/2015 16:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>>> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>>>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >>>> >>>> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. >>> >>> Many women have only 1 child so we need families with 3 children to >>> maintain a static population size. >> >> The Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is the average number of births per >> woman. Note that "replacement level" is defined as a TFR of 2.1 rather >> than the 2.0 you'd expect; I'm not sure why. >> >> Most developed countries have a TFR below 2.1, whereas most developing >> countries have a TFR above 2.1, though there are notable exceptions on >> both sides. > > People don't marry or otherwise reproduce. In fact the number who never have any kids isn't all that much higher today. There were always plenty who never married and never had any kids in the past. I'm surprised the number isn't > much higher these days. > >> >> http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN >> >> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html >> >> Interestingly, China's TFR of 1.55 ranks only 185th despite its infamous >> "one child" policy; there are 29 countries with a lower TFR despite no >> such policy, including Taiwan's TFR of 1.11. > > China is now worried about population _decline_. They've relaxed the "one > child" policy, but now the growing number of middle-class families don't > want to have more than one. In advanced countries children have ceased to > be an asset (source of unpaid labor and security in the parents' old age) > and have become a liability (clothing, swimming lessons, soccer camp, > high-school prom, college, etc.) You don’t in fact see too many have just one kid instead of two for that reason tho and quite a few appear to have kids and are stupid enough to believe that what the state pays in child benefits covers the cost. It does too with the dregs of society who are the most difficult to find jobs for.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 05:22 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0802kF68lmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148126 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051A706C3624B5@aca4199c.ipt.aol.com... > Morten Reistad wrote: >> In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>>>> >>>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>>>> >>>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>>>> take out immigration. >>> >>>Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >>>exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >>> >>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >>>> growth. >>> >>>That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >>>slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >>>birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. >> >> No, that is second to female education. But statistically those >> go hand in hand. > > Low infant mortality is key. Its more complicated than that with roman catholics and muslims now. > Women won't get pregnant if kids lived. The roman catholics and muslims still do. > Then they can use their energy to do other things. In theory. In practice its much more complicated than that.
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 05:25 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0806iF69loU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148126 |
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:7NCdnUS2Oecg-gPInZ2dnUU78I-dnZ2d@giganews.com... > On 09/07/2015 13:15, jmfbahciv wrote: >> Morten Reistad wrote: >>> In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, >>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>>>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>>>>> take out immigration. >>>> >>>> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >>>> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >>>> >>>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >>>>> growth. >>>> >>>> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >>>> slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >>>> birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. >>> >>> No, that is second to female education. But statistically those >>> go hand in hand. >> >> Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids lived. >> Then they can use their energy to do other things. >> >> /BAH >> > > Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a girl. If > they have 2 the same try again. They can work that sort of thing out for themselves. > Giving an order is not the only way of telling someone, ask the > advertising industry for a few suggestions. That’s been tried too and isn't effective with the number of kids.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00051A5E02303F66@aca4107f.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #148028 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-07-07, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >> The bandwidth is getting too crowded. Is this a side effect of >> changing from analog to digital? > > No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. > which would be solved by a virus. /BAH
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnjkgf2aot@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #148064 |
On 2015-07-08, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On 2015-07-07, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> The bandwidth is getting too crowded. Is this a side effect of >>> changing from analog to digital? >> >> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >> > which would be solved by a virus. Mother Nature has tried several times (e.g. AIDS). So far medical science is keeping ahead. But the Four Horsemen are saddled up and ready to go. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00051A70613D87F0@aca4199c.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #148077 |
Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-07-08, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: > >> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2015-07-07, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The bandwidth is getting too crowded. Is this a side effect of >>>> changing from analog to digital? >>> >>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>> >> which would be solved by a virus. > > Mother Nature has tried several times (e.g. AIDS). So far > medical science is keeping ahead. But the Four Horsemen > are saddled up and ready to go. > Frontline had a show about this a couple days ago. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-10 05:23 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d0802lF68lmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148127 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051A70613D87F0@aca4199c.ipt.aol.com... > Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2015-07-08, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-07-07, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The bandwidth is getting too crowded. Is this a side effect of >>>>> changing from analog to digital? >>>> >>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>> >>> which would be solved by a virus. >> >> Mother Nature has tried several times (e.g. AIDS). So far >> medical science is keeping ahead. But the Four Horsemen >> are saddled up and ready to go. >> > Frontline had a show about this a couple days ago. But it didn’t say anything useful about that, even tho we have just seen that even Ebola is handled very effectively.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 04:47 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d059igFfsesU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148064 |
jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote > Charlie Gibbs wrote >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote >>> The bandwidth is getting too crowded. Is this >>> a side effect of changing from analog to digital? >> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. > which would be solved by a virus. Not anymore. Even Ebola didn’t have much effect on the population of the area where it got away the worst.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 05:23 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d02n9aFqe3fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148021 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051A4881ACEB28@aca20eb8.ipt.aol.com... > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> >>>> >>>> All of the new residential/consumer stuff I've seen is based on PINs or >>>> some sort of RF, getting away from the entire concept of keys. >>>> >>>> Cars also seem to be going the same way. >>> >>>Yea. I'm wondering about all that. Bandwidth isn't infinite. >>>My radio started picking up a frequency cycle on the entire AM >>>radio band. It's approximately 5cycles/second. >> >> 5hz is not something that you can hear, much less reproduce >> using a normal speaker. > > Perhaps I should have used the term beeps. it could be a few more > but my counting is slow. >> >> Now an electric fencer, on the other hand, will cause interference >> at such a rate on amplitude modulated signals. >> > Well, I'm hoping this is a summer thing. :-( The point is that > RFs are showing up everywhere without FCC intervention. I can > remember when we (DEC) had to stop selling terminals because > you could read what was displayed on the screens using a B/W > TV. Now any random person can broadcast anything easily. > > The bandwidth is getting too crowded. That isnt the problem. > Is this a side effect of changing from analog to digital? Nope, it’s the result of almost everything having some sort of electronics in it now, even toasters.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-07 22:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <RaWdnRYbr9X2owHInZ2dnUU78eWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #148021 |
On 07/07/2015 13:37, jmfbahciv wrote:
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> Well, I'm hoping this is a summer thing. :-( The point is that
> RFs are showing up everywhere without FCC intervention. I can
> remember when we (DEC) had to stop selling terminals because
> you could read what was displayed on the screens using a B/W
> TV. Now any random person can broadcast anything easily.
I remember when our computer room had to stop using terminals for a
similar reason. We should have been more suspicious of the truck parked
on the road outside.
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