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| Started by | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| First post | 2015-06-27 14:10 -0700 |
| Last post | 2015-06-28 18:39 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 204 — 31 participants |
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Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-27 14:10 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 08:08 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-28 15:38 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 07:01 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:45 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:08 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-02 00:01 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:39 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-01 16:41 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:42 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-03 12:55 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-04 08:48 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-28 15:46 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-28 16:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 08:22 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:56 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-29 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 16:17 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 10:22 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-29 10:30 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 18:42 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:13 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:12 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 19:40 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 20:48 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-30 20:50 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 14:09 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 17:06 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:00 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:40 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-03 09:28 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:36 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 15:27 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-07-03 14:41 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-06-30 17:51 -0600
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:33 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-29 20:04 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:27 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:02 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 08:38 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:16 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-30 12:17 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-29 09:50 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 12:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:40 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 09:25 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 17:23 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 12:39 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:10 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:29 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-02 16:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-02 11:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:41 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:55 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 19:05 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-02 21:58 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 04:59 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-01 09:18 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-01 11:34 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:15 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-06-30 19:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:29 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:36 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:28 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:29 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 06:56 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 09:03 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 10:01 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-02 16:36 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:56 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:55 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-02 16:10 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:48 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:51 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-04 06:39 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-02 11:59 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 11:50 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:42 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 10:03 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:21 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:45 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 17:07 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 18:04 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 15:02 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:54 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 08:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:53 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-03 12:24 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-03 14:12 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-04 11:41 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-04 14:17 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-04 11:59 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-06 10:56 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-07 16:18 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-04 13:55 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:40 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-04 20:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-05 13:49 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-05 09:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-05 17:49 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:45 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:03 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-05 23:23 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 15:43 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 16:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:43 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-05 16:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-06 13:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-07 05:42 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:20 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 15:40 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 06:46 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 18:07 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 08:33 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:08 -0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 13:26 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 17:41 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 05:00 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-09 00:29 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:45 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:35 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:15 -0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 10:09 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 16:25 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Hop David <hopd@nospam.cunews.info> - 2015-07-09 15:36 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:44 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 18:08 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 09:18 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-08 07:23 +0200
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 16:04 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 11:49 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 19:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:12 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:39 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 00:45 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 23:21 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 15:29 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-10 00:30 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:22 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:26 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-10 16:36 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 13:06 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:27 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-11 04:46 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:22 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:25 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:47 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:23 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 22:02 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-07 13:49 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:28 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:51 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:10 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:53 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lynn@garlic.com - 2015-06-29 17:36 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 11:23 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-06-30 14:07 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:14 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:34 -0500
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 09:42 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:47 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:12 +1000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-29 07:05 +0000
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 10:41 +0100
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:22 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:59 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-07 10:14 -0700
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-06-28 12:03 -0400
Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:54 +1000
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 05:00 +1000 |
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"Scott Lurndal" <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message news:Wgdnx.85445$ud2.6886@fx25.iad... > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>On 2015-07-08, Kerr Mudd-John <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:47:40 -0100, EspenFucker <EF4312@nospam.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> You've gone beyond the pale now. >> >>No, that's standard behaviour. Dan joins the ranks of us >>who have received the highest award for Speedo-baiting. > > If everyone would fail to respond to his posts, How odd that you don’t do what you advocate, hypocrite. > perhaps he'd go away. Not a chance, you watch. And plenty have got past school yard games, even if a few of you haven't.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 00:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <235998781458094328.082637peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #148081 |
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >> On 2015-07-08, Kerr Mudd-John <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:47:40 -0100, EspenFucker <EF4312@nospam.com> wrote: >>> >>> You've gone beyond the pale now. >> >> No, that's standard behaviour. Dan joins the ranks of us >> who have received the highest award for Speedo-baiting. > > If everyone would fail to respond to his posts, perhaps he'd > go away. > > Please. He'd probably have two of his sock puppets argue with each other, just to hear his own voice. -- Pete
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| From | "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 04:45 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d059etFfrgaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148056 |
"Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote in message news:op.x1gj8hh6xefm1i@anyhost.anywhere... > On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:47:40 -0100, EspenFucker <EF4312@nospam.com> wrote: > > You've gone beyond the pale now. You get no say on that, or anything else at all either.
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 14:35 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d03nskF3dfhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148041 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me... > On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>> >>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>> >>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>> take out immigration. > > Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; That's not true. The only major one that is true for is Japan. > the main exception is the US, And all the EU countries with so much illegal immigration now and the Schengen region allowing anyone to go anywhere they like. True of Britain too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_future_population#Country_and_territory_breakdown_by_past_and_near_future_population.2C_between_1985_and_2015 > and even then only barely above replacement. Bullshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Vital_statistics_2 >> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >> growth. > > That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly > slowing as developing countries, well, develop. Yes, birth rates are dropping world wide now. The only real exception is those where the birth rates are now so low that they are right down in the noise now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate The most effective > birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. It's very arguable what the cause of those dropping birth rates is. They are dropping even where there is no electric light, so that theory is very hard to substantiate. Doesn’t explain why birth rates are still quite high in catholic countries or where muslims predominate which have had electric light for well over a century now. With the other claim about education too. It may just be fashion or just because the survival rates of kids in places with no real welfare system is now so much better than it used to be.
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| From | "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 13:15 -0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.x1gkjjezxefm1i@anyhost.anywhere> |
| In reply to | #148041 |
On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:44:35 -0100, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>> >>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>> >>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>> take out immigration. > > Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main > exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. > >> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >> growth. > > That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly > slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective > birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. > Eventually. But we're going to hit 11 or 12 billion [10^9] before it gets lower, and meanwhile resources (esp oil and clean water) are getting harder to obtain. [10^9] there's a Swedish Stats guy that spins a good yarn - with graphics! http://www.ted.com/speakers/hans_rosling probably this is the one; but i don't think my wifi connection is up to streaming it: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth > S > -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 10:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnjec0$lm5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148057 |
On 08-Jul-15 09:15, Kerr Mudd-John wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if >>>> you take out immigration. >> >> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >> >>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ >>> population growth. >> >> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already >> rapidly slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most >> effective birth control device ever invented is the electric light >> bulb. >> > > Eventually. But we're going to hit 11 or 12 billion [10^9] before it > gets lower, No, it's _already_ dropping rapidly (and steadily): Historical TFR, UN 2010 Years TFR 1950–1955 4.95 1955–1960 4.89 1960–1965 4.91 1965–1970 4.85 1970–1975 4.45 1975–1980 3.84 1980–1985 3.59 1985–1990 3.39 1990–1995 3.04 1995–2000 2.79 2000–2005 2.62 2005–2010 2.52 2010–2015 2.36 Replacement level (no net growth) is a TFR of 2.1; at the current rate of decline, we will get there by 2030 or maybe even 2025, meaning world population will level off at 10-11 billion. As stated above, most developed countries are already below replacement levels, especially if you exclude first-generation immigrants from developing countries. The above drop in TFR can be seen as a measure of what fraction of women live in developed countries. > and meanwhile resources (esp oil and clean water) are > getting harder to obtain. There's plenty of clean water; it's just not where we want it--and there are enormous political problems to shifting either water or people. Fossil fuels are obviously a bad idea, but the world (and sun) offers virtually unlimited renewable energy. It's just not where we want it. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 16:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <V9cnx.102591$8Q2.89127@fx21.iad> |
| In reply to | #148068 |
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: >On 08-Jul-15 09:15, Kerr Mudd-John wrote: >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if >>>>> you take out immigration. >>> >>> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >>> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >>> >>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ >>>> population growth. >>> >>> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already >>> rapidly slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most >>> effective birth control device ever invented is the electric light >>> bulb. >>> >> >> Eventually. But we're going to hit 11 or 12 billion [10^9] before it >> gets lower, > >No, it's _already_ dropping rapidly (and steadily): > >Historical TFR, UN 2010 >Years TFR >1950–1955 4.95 >1955–1960 4.89 >1960–1965 4.91 >1965–1970 4.85 >1970–1975 4.45 >1975–1980 3.84 >1980–1985 3.59 >1985–1990 3.39 >1990–1995 3.04 >1995–2000 2.79 >2000–2005 2.62 >2005–2010 2.52 >2010–2015 2.36 > >Replacement level (no net growth) is a TFR of 2.1; at the current rate >of decline, we will get there by 2030 or maybe even 2025, meaning world >population will level off at 10-11 billion. > >As stated above, most developed countries are already below replacement >levels, especially if you exclude first-generation immigrants from >developing countries. The above drop in TFR can be seen as a measure of >what fraction of women live in developed countries. > >> and meanwhile resources (esp oil and clean water) are >> getting harder to obtain. > >There's plenty of clean water; it's just not where we want it--and there >are enormous political problems to shifting either water or people. > >Fossil fuels are obviously a bad idea, but the world (and sun) offers >virtually unlimited renewable energy. It's just not where we want it. > http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/02/the-alternative-energy-matrix/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/01/nuclear-fusion/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/01/the-motion-of-the-ocean/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/01/basking-in-the-sun/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/01/warm-and-fuzzy-on-geothermal/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2012/01/nuclear-options/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/can-tides-turn-the-tide/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/wind-fights-solar/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/the-biofuel-grind/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/stranded-resources/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/09/dont-be-a-pv-efficiency-snob/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/09/got-storage-how-hard-can-it-be/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/09/discovering-limits-to-growth/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/08/does-the-logistic-shoe-fit/ http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/the-energy-trap/ >S > >-- >Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein >CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the >K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Hop David <hopd@nospam.cunews.info> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 15:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <C2Anx.84019$vS.68873@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #148071 |
scott wrote on Wed, 08 July 2015 12:25 > ...do-the-math/2011/10/stranded-resources/ Murphy's Stranded Resources is a horrible analysis. He thinks we'd be lucky to find an asteroid within 5 km/s of earth. There are some asteroids that can be temporarily captured to the earth moon system with no propellent. And many others that can be captured for as little as .17 km/s. Murphy imagines retrieving a rock using oxygen and methane as propellent (~3 km/s exhaust velocity). He evidently hasn't heard of Hall Thrusters that use xenon. Exhaust velocity of xenon is 30 km/s. Scott, can you plug .17 km/s delta V and 30 km/s exhaust velocity into the rocket equation? Murphy's asteroid retrieval scenario is a horribly silly straw man. This being my first post, I can't include a link. Google Keck Final Report Asteroid Retrieval for a serious asteroid retrieval proposal. And Murphy sucks at orbital mechanics. The way he patches conics would earn him a big fat "F" if he were a freshman aerospace student. Take Murphy's advice and Do The Math. Then you will see Murphy's arguments against space resources are bogus. -- --> http://www.megalextoria.com/forum2 <--
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 04:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d059d0FfqvoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148057 |
"Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote in message news:op.x1gkjjezxefm1i@anyhost.anywhere... > On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 22:44:35 -0100, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> > wrote: > >> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>>> >>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>>> >>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>>> take out immigration. >> >> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >> >>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >>> growth. >> >> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >> slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >> birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. >> > > Eventually. But we're going to hit 11 or 12 billion [10^9] before it gets > lower, and meanwhile resources (esp oil and clean water) are getting > harder to obtain. Yes, but it's perfectly possible to use nukes so that the remaining oil and gas from fracking and carbon from coal gets used where it is needed most. Even easier to clean the water where it isn't clean enough. > [10^9] there's a Swedish Stats guy that spins a good yarn - with graphics! > http://www.ted.com/speakers/hans_rosling > probably this is the one; but i don't think my wifi connection is up to > streaming it: > http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth It is very arguable whether raising the living standards of the worst of the world population is going to make any real difference to population.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mnjkge1aot@news7.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #148041 |
On 2015-07-07, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: > >> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >> >>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>> >>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>> >>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>> >>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>> take out immigration. > > Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main > exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. > >> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >> growth. > > That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly > slowing as developing countries, well, develop. And politicians (and the corporations that bankroll them) are shitting themselves because of the impending reduction in the number of potential subjects/taxpayers/consumers. > The most effective birth control device ever invented is the > electric light bulb. I'd have said education - it would explain (at least in part) why there are such concerted efforts being made to dumb down the public. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 18:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnkafh$fba$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148076 |
On 08-Jul-15 11:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-07-07, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ >>> population growth. >> >> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already >> rapidly slowing as developing countries, well, develop. > > And politicians (and the corporations that bankroll them) are > shitting themselves because of the impending reduction in the number > of potential subjects/taxpayers/consumers. Very few countries are actually seeing negative growth yet, just lower positive growth than they're used to. But, yes, that is a serious long-term problem in countries with strict immigration policies or problems that result in net emigration. >> The most effective birth control device ever invented is the >> electric light bulb. > > I'd have said education ... Improved education and economic opportunity for women is also a factor, but it is a lot more expensive and takes a lot longer, mostly because it requires social changes that can only occur through cohort replacement and are being actively resisted in many parts of the world. OTOH, almost nobody resists light bulbs, they reduce birth rates almost immediately, and they're ridiculously cheap. > it would explain (at least in part) why there are such concerted > efforts being made to dumb down the public. That's mostly due to religion (the main enemy of education), but that's related since one of religion's primary goals is oppression of women. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 09:18 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d05pdfFjrloU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148105 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:mnkafh$fba$1@dont-email.me... > On 08-Jul-15 11:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2015-07-07, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ >>>> population growth. >>> >>> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already >>> rapidly slowing as developing countries, well, develop. >> >> And politicians (and the corporations that bankroll them) are >> shitting themselves because of the impending reduction in the number >> of potential subjects/taxpayers/consumers. > > Very few countries are actually seeing negative growth yet, just lower > positive growth than they're used to. > > But, yes, that is a serious long-term problem in countries with strict > immigration policies or problems that result in net emigration. > >>> The most effective birth control device ever invented is the >>> electric light bulb. >> >> I'd have said education ... > > Improved education and economic opportunity for women is also a factor, > but it is a lot more expensive and takes a lot longer, mostly because it > requires social changes that can only occur through cohort replacement > and are being actively resisted in many parts of the world. > > OTOH, almost nobody resists light bulbs, they reduce birth rates almost > immediately, Not in muslim or roman catholic countries they didn’t. Education didn’t in roman catholic countries either. > and they're ridiculously cheap. > >> it would explain (at least in part) why there are such concerted >> efforts being made to dumb down the public. > > That's mostly due to religion (the main enemy of education), That is just plain wrong with both islam and with roman catholics. but that's > related since one of religion's primary goals is oppression of women. Even sillier than you usually manage.
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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> |
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| Date | 2015-07-08 07:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2oou6c-fr1.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> |
| In reply to | #148041 |
In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>> >>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>> >>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>> take out immigration. > >Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. > >> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >> growth. > >That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. No, that is second to female education. But statistically those go hand in hand. -- mrr
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM00051A706C3624B5@aca4199c.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #148110 |
Morten Reistad wrote: > In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >>>>> >>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >>>> >>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >>>> take out immigration. >> >>Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >>exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >> >>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population >>> growth. >> >>That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >>slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >>birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. > > No, that is second to female education. But statistically those > go hand in hand. Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids lived. Then they can use their energy to do other things. /BAH
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 16:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20150709160455.6d7370c6f2ca9b66e438213b@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #148126 |
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:23:34 +0100 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: > On 09/07/2015 13:15, jmfbahciv wrote: > > Morten Reistad wrote: > >> In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, > >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > >>> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: > >>>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: > >>>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: > >>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > >>>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform > >>>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you > >>>>> take out immigration. > >>> > >>> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main > >>> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. > >>> > >>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ population > >>>> growth. > >>> > >>> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly > >>> slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective > >>> birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. > >> > >> No, that is second to female education. But statistically those > >> go hand in hand. > > > > Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids lived. > > Then they can use their energy to do other things. > > > > /BAH > > > > Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a girl. > If they have 2 the same try again. No need it'll balance out well enough on average. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 11:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d07n10F3t5aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148134 |
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote: news:20150709160455.6d7370c6f2ca9b66e438213b@eircom.net... > On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:23:34 +0100 > Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> On 09/07/2015 13:15, jmfbahciv wrote: >> > Morten Reistad wrote: >> >> In article <mnho6e$it1$1@dont-email.me>, >> >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> >>> On 07-Jul-15 17:07, Dan Espen wrote: >> >>>> "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> writes: >> >>>>> "Dan Espen" <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>>>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: >> >>>>>>> No, it's a side effect of too damn many people. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Damn straight. And the first politician that runs on the platform >> >>>>>> of population control has got my vote, regardless of party. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Not one modern first world country is even self replacing if you >> >>>>> take out immigration. >> >>> >> >>> Heck, most are below replacement even _with_ immigration; the main >> >>> exception is the US, and even then only barely above replacement. >> >>> >> >>>> Good point. Clearly our leaders need to talk about _world_ >> >>>> population >> >>>> growth. >> >>> >> >>> That's unnecessary because world population growth is already rapidly >> >>> slowing as developing countries, well, develop. The most effective >> >>> birth control device ever invented is the electric light bulb. >> >> >> >> No, that is second to female education. But statistically those >> >> go hand in hand. >> > >> > Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids lived. >> > Then they can use their energy to do other things. >> > >> > /BAH >> > >> >> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a girl. >> If they have 2 the same try again. > > No need it'll balance out well enough on average. What in the world is "it"? As near as I can tell, the message you are responding to is designed to give an average yield of 2.5 children. Are you saying this is a "natural" result? I would expect there are a bunch of PhD. theses on what the natural number is. I estimate it is somewhere between zero and 9. BTW, James Burke would simply love the light bulb idea!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 12:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnmarp$8lr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148138 |
On 09-Jul-15 11:49, Osmium wrote: > "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote: >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >> >> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. > > What in the world is "it"? As near as I can tell, the message you > are responding to is designed to give an average yield of 2.5 > children. Are you saying this is a "natural" result? AFAICT, "it" refers to the ratio of male vs female births. However, the ratio for any individual couple is irrelevant as long as it's roughly even across an entire society (or all of humanity). S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 19:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20150709190253.97cb6d9890b13674dced4f59@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #148142 |
On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:27:41 -0500 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 09-Jul-15 11:49, Osmium wrote: > > "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote: > >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: > >>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a > >>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. > >> > >> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. > > > > What in the world is "it"? As near as I can tell, the message you > > are responding to is designed to give an average yield of 2.5 > > children. Are you saying this is a "natural" result? > > AFAICT, "it" refers to the ratio of male vs female births. However, the Correct, since that was what the prescription seemed to be aimed at controlling. > ratio for any individual couple is irrelevant as long as it's roughly > even across an entire society (or all of humanity). Indeed and, absent any attempt at control, it will be, or at least it has been to date. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <d07v0kF5v8iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148150 |
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:27:41 -0500 > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > >> On 09-Jul-15 11:49, Osmium wrote: >> > "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote: >> >> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >> >>> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. >> >> >> >> No need it'll balance out well enough on average. >> > >> > What in the world is "it"? As near as I can tell, the message you >> > are responding to is designed to give an average yield of 2.5 >> > children. Are you saying this is a "natural" result? >> >> AFAICT, "it" refers to the ratio of male vs female births. However, the > > Correct, since that was what the prescription seemed to be aimed at > controlling. Well, darn. I thought the thread was about maintaining a sustainable population - I note the word "sustainable" above. I guess either thread is a natural offshoot of credit card fraud; even the dimmest bulb can see that. Note how that naturally morphs into the claim "Edison saves the world from famine caused by over population." >> ratio for any individual couple is irrelevant as long as it's roughly >> even across an entire society (or all of humanity). > > Indeed and, absent any attempt at control, it will be, or at least > it has been to date. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays > C:>WIN | A better way to focus the > sun > The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see > You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-09 12:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mnm9vg$4j9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #148134 |
On 09-Jul-15 10:04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote: >> On 09/07/2015 13:15, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> Morten Reistad wrote: >>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>>> The most effective birth control device ever invented is the >>>>> electric light bulb. >>>> >>>> No, that is second to female education. But statistically >>>> those go hand in hand. >>> >>> Low infant mortality is key. Women won't get pregnant if kids >>> lived. Then they can use their energy to do other things. In places where infant mortality is non-trivial, women generally don't have a choice about getting pregnant. The electric light bulb is so effective because it reduces the average darkness from 12 hours per day to 8 hours per day, which matches the average sleep cycle--and directly translates to lower birth rates. >> Sustainability means that women need telling to have a boy and a >> girl. If they have 2 the same try again. > > No need it'll balance out well enough on average. Unless you're discussing societies (e.g. China and India) where female fetuses are much more commonly aborted than male fetuses, leading to an actual imbalance in the number of female vs male births, which in turn has significant effects on society and future birth rates. OTOH, at least in China, female children are now becoming prized because they can command very high prices from desperate grooms, so this may be a pendulum that swings back and forth rather than a permanent change. I haven't heard of the same happening in India (yet). S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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