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| Started by | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| First post | 2022-07-27 17:25 -0400 |
| Last post | 2022-10-06 08:43 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 38 participants |
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Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-27 17:25 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-07-27 19:02 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2022-07-28 15:51 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-28 22:19 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-29 01:05 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed luserdroog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-03 06:36 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2022-07-28 19:25 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-29 04:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:07 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:52 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 13:04 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-29 18:14 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-29 19:42 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-30 00:14 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:31 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anonymous Reactionary <anonymous@internet.everywhere> - 2022-08-15 02:59 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-30 08:30 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-30 18:42 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2022-07-30 13:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-30 20:29 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-30 22:16 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-30 22:46 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:00 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-31 17:20 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 18:25 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:42 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-01 22:48 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-02 19:18 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed phigan <phigan@bbs.penisys.cf> - 2022-08-03 03:03 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-03 15:19 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-04 19:05 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:09 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 19:11 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 19:49 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-05 10:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 22:34 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-09-25 10:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-25 12:16 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-04 21:36 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-08-04 21:18 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 15:48 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-08-05 09:32 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 10:22 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-05 13:37 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 13:03 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2022-08-05 08:38 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-05 16:35 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-08-05 12:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-05 10:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:06 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-04 16:11 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-03 00:04 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:46 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 22:19 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:43 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anonymous Reactionary <anonymous@internet.everywhere> - 2022-08-15 02:56 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-08-20 20:18 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-30 00:04 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:09 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 23:20 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 08:26 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-14 18:23 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-14 19:52 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-14 21:20 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-14 21:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 15:39 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2022-08-14 21:22 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 16:58 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-14 23:00 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:22 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2022-08-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 20:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-18 17:05 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-19 00:21 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 19:58 -0700
the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2022-08-19 03:03 +0000
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-20 09:19 -0500
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2022-09-28 22:48 +0000
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-09-28 19:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 06:43 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-19 08:56 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 09:28 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-19 22:43 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:25 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-20 12:17 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 17:41 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-19 09:19 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:13 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-14 19:39 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 20:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 07:37 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-15 07:26 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-15 07:08 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 07:44 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:20 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 20:58 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-16 07:03 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-16 15:45 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-16 21:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-16 23:18 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-17 13:35 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-17 12:23 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-17 12:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 14:08 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-17 18:56 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 20:22 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:10 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-18 13:12 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-19 22:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 07:00 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-20 12:28 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 21:00 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:34 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-20 06:14 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 14:08 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-20 09:17 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 17:28 +0100
Norn Ireland (was: Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-20 17:46 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-20 10:39 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 20:05 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-18 10:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-17 12:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-17 17:28 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 20:24 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-18 13:04 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-18 15:56 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-18 13:49 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 06:48 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-19 09:43 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-20 11:39 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:25 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:29 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-08-16 21:15 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-19 02:04 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 09:33 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-19 20:27 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:37 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 06:55 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed meff <email@example.com> - 2022-09-13 09:05 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-09-13 08:48 -0600
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-13 17:06 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-13 10:46 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-13 18:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-09-13 20:37 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-13 20:55 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-09-13 21:09 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-09-13 19:41 -0400
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-14 12:21 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-14 08:06 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-15 21:45 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-15 18:14 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-16 11:32 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-16 04:06 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-16 16:02 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-09-16 14:18 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2022-09-16 17:39 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-16 21:49 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-09-18 18:43 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 23:37 -0500
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-09-25 11:02 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-25 12:16 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-09-25 19:33 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-14 17:57 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-14 11:49 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-09-14 20:31 -0400
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-15 01:40 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed ERSHC <ershc123@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-09-14 08:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-14 12:12 +0200
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-14 07:24 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed luserdroog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-15 18:57 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:18 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-15 12:03 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-15 20:45 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-15 12:03 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:17 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2022-08-10 17:12 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-10 18:55 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-10 12:09 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2022-08-11 03:36 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-11 07:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-11 06:52 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-11 10:11 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-11 14:40 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-11 18:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-12 01:29 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-11 10:05 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 08:43 -0700
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 19:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #221818 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 > D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: > >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. > > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and > reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching > algorithms. > This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. -- Pete
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| From | danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 03:03 +0000 |
| Subject | the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed |
| Message-ID | <tdmuid$6sf$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #221820 |
In <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: >> >>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. >This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. One of the magazines I regret losing was one of the anti-US publications (don't recall the name, sorry) that the local commie/leftie/socialist/pinko bookstore carried. One edition had page after page of these reconstructed documents, and yes, they were strips that had been reconstructed by hand. -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 09:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed |
| Message-ID | <dbr1gh53dlmidi986vtf3s3nl9ulrgiv3f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #221821 |
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 03:03:41 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote: >In <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > >>Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. > >>This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. > >One of the magazines I regret losing was one of the anti-US >publications (don't recall the name, sorry) that the >local commie/leftie/socialist/pinko bookstore carried. > >One edition had page after page of these reconstructed >documents, and yes, they were strips that had been >reconstructed by hand. The likely bought the strip shredder as a cost saving.... and it was a bad decision. -- Jim
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| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-28 22:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed |
| Message-ID | <th2j0j$7q2$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #221847 |
D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> writes: >>>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. ... >The likely bought the strip shredder as a cost saving.... and it was a >bad decision. Hardly. There was few if any cross-cut shredders before that debacle. And they are not without issues. They work by cutting the paper into strips, then yanking the strips to TEAR the ribbons. That distorts the paper and what's printed on it to make matching up pieces impossible. But the shredders have thin cutters rather like transformer cores; a staple can damage them, a paper-clip is SURE to. The better gadget is the SEM Model 22 Disintegrator. It's sorta like a reel lawn mower on steroids. -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-28 19:21 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed |
| Message-ID | <b6p9jh1murlp8bru1a3m3cqjl8usts354f@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #222117 |
On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 22:48:51 -0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: >D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> writes: > >>>>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>>>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. >... >>The likely bought the strip shredder as a cost saving.... and it was a >>bad decision. > >Hardly. There was few if any cross-cut shredders before that debacle. > >And they are not without issues. They work by cutting the paper into >strips, then yanking the strips to TEAR the ribbons. That distorts >the paper and what's printed on it to make matching up pieces impossible. > >But the shredders have thin cutters rather like transformer cores; a staple >can damage them, a paper-clip is SURE to. > >The better gadget is the SEM Model 22 Disintegrator. It's sorta like a reel >lawn mower on steroids. I had a confetti shredder that could cut staples. But they likely weren't around back then. -- Jim
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 06:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfuc8m.2a9.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221820 |
On 2022-08-19, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: >> >>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. >> >> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and >> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching >> algorithms. >> > > This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. > as I remember the story too. The same thing happened when the British had decided to leave Ireland (1921?) and the Irish rebels tried to burn the Custom house, to destroy the records telling who was informing on the rebels. There were stories about much the same happening in kabul recently -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 08:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220819085627.2f08619c771ebf6fb723fa9b@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221820 |
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 > > D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: > > > >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of > >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. > > > > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and > > reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching > > algorithms. > > > > This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long* time. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 09:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfuluq.bu6.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221824 |
On 2022-08-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >> > D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: >> > >> >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >> >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. >> > >> > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and >> > reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching >> > algorithms. >> > >> >> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. > > Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut > shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long* > time. > My point exactly. Even in ordinary commercial operations, it can take a long time to destroy stuff. -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 22:43 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tdpla2$1pnaq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #221824 |
On 8/19/2022 2:56 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. >>> >>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and >>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching >>> algorithms. >>> >> >> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students. > > Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut > shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long* > time. > Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would be nil time.
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 06:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220820062538.d7a50c294289a4a9dd41444c@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221835 |
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:43:58 -0500 Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting > that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it > took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each > piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would > be nil time. IIRC the time it was done they used a high resolution, high frame rate camera and filmed them tumbling through the air from a blower. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 12:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87o7we6g9x.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #221835 |
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:43:58 -0500, Dave Garland wrote: > > On 8/19/2022 2:56 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >>> >> Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut >> shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long* >> time. >> > Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting > that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it > took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each > piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would > be nil time. Today, almost every cheap ass printer comes with a scanner. Remember the 90s, when you had these odd hand scanners? You have to swipe over a paper several times, and not still have missed parts of it. Black and white of course. -- Andreas
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 17:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220820174106.3d189d7e0a64407107d697bb@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221848 |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 12:17:30 -0400 Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > Remember the 90s, when you had these odd hand scanners? You have to swipe > over a paper several times, and not still have missed parts of it. Black > and white of course. Hideous things - but they were cheap. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 09:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nt6vfhdovr7fgrqeejktbg6alj0oqnjsq4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #221818 |
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:21:00 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500 >D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote: > >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together. > > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and >reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching >algorithms. I can see that is possible... I've seen ones in stores with different sized confetti cuts. The smaller ones would be a big pain to do that to. -- Jim
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 07:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfrpjv.4ap.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221801 |
On 2022-08-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote: > >> My Father subscribed to an US magazine called something like `Men Only', >> which had articles proving the USSR space successes were faked. Kinda >> like the recenter claims that the US Moonshots were fake as well. > > I read some articles giving evidence that the USSR space missions were > faked; but they weren't in For MEN Only, they were in Science and Mechanics. > > Lloyd Mallan was their writer. > > John Savard That was back in the 1950's. Sometimes I forget what I have eaten for breakfast ! -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-14 19:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87czd2cs3l.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #221751 |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels > <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote: >>. >>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans, >>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord). > > But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere. But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-). That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about: The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did. That still haunts Russia today. -- Andreas
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| From | Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-14 20:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8672d034-53cb-49b1-bb57-f17cf8361869n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #221761 |
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC+10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote: > > > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels > > <robin....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>. > >>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans, > >>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord). > > > > But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere. > But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair > on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-). . The Concordski did not break apart mid-air. The Russian team required that other aircraft keep a goodly distance from it while it was in the air. The Froggies wanted to get a close-up view as Concordski flew, and got too close. Concordski took strong evasive action, and the motor(s) cut out. They were too close to the ground to re-start the engines, and crashed. . > That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about: > The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did. > > That still haunts Russia today.
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-15 07:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87wnb9buup.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #221765 |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels wrote: > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC+10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote: >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote: >> > >> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels >> > <robin....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>. >> >>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans, >> >>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord). >> > >> > But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere. >> But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair >> on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-). > . > The Concordski did not break apart mid-air. > The Russian team required that other aircraft keep a goodly > distance from it while it was in the air. > The Froggies wanted to get a close-up view as Concordski flew, > and got too close. > Concordski took strong evasive action, and the motor(s) cut out. > They were too close to the ground to re-start the engines, and crashed. > . <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Paris_Air_Show_Tu-144_crash> says: | Once in flight, the aircraft made what appeared to be a landing | approach, with the landing gear out and the "moustache" canards | extended, but then with all four engines at full power, climbed | rapidly. Possibly stalling below 2,000 ft (610 m), the aircraft pitched | over and went into a steep dive. Trying to pull out of the subsequent | dive with the engines again at full power, the Tu-144 broke up in | mid-air, possibly due to overstressing the airframe. The left wing came ^^^^^^^ | away first, and then the aircraft disintegrated and crashed, destroying | 15 houses, and killing all six people on board the Tu-144 and eight | more on the ground. Three children were among those killed, and 60 | people received severe injuries. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEIAMM13RFQ> shows the breakup midair (close to the ground though, but didn't touch prior to the breakup). -- Andreas
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-15 07:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220815072621.175dc3e4d0b3d79359ceb1cf@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221761 |
On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400 Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about: > The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did. This is called propaganda. The one thing the Soviet Union could not do that America did was survive the cold war without falling apart. Yes Concordski and Buran were copies of Western developments, but Energia certainly wasn't. Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-15 07:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfjs7f.6ro.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221767 |
On 2022-08-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400 > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about: >> The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did. > > This is called propaganda. The one thing the Soviet Union could not > do that America did was survive the cold war without falling apart. > > Yes Concordski and Buran were copies of Western developments, but > Energia certainly wasn't. > > Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide > transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades. > The USSR and USA were two different countries, with different aims. The USSR collapsed because Gorbachov (sp?) believed US propoganda and tried to build a system like the US. The Arrival of `experts' trained in Harvard soon finished that. At the last elections in Russia, the Communist party came a close second, and may have actually won. Many countries mourn old systems whose bad parts have been forgotten. Walking around the former East Berlin brought shock when I saw swastikas sprayed on the walls. (About 2005), and now the AFD rules Thuringia. Will the US survive the midterm? Is facebook and its ilk for the benefit of people -- greymausg@mail.org Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of an influencer. We're all going to die, horribly. have a nice day, meanwhile
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-15 07:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87tu6dbuj6.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #221768 |
On 15 Aug 2022 07:08:31 GMT, maus wrote: > > The USSR and USA were two different countries, with different aims. The > USSR collapsed because Gorbachov (sp?) believed US propoganda and tried > to build a system like the US. The Arrival of `experts' trained in > Harvard soon finished that. At the last elections in Russia, the > Communist party came a close second, and may have actually won. If won, it would had broken the USSR, pulling the economy down even more. On the pro side, Putin might not have had come to power. > Many countries mourn old systems whose bad parts have been forgotten. > Walking around the former East Berlin brought shock when I saw swastikas > sprayed on the walls. (About 2005), and now the AFD rules Thuringia. Until the late 80s the east side of the wall was clean. Graffiti (no swastikas though I assume) only on the west side. The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons. If anyone is interested I try to locate it. -- Andreas
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