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| Started by | Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> |
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| First post | 2015-11-12 14:31 +0930 |
| Last post | 2016-02-22 16:21 -0800 |
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IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-12 14:31 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) mentificium@gmail.com - 2015-11-12 04:49 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-12 18:51 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-12 20:06 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-13 14:45 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-13 14:51 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-12 22:44 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-14 10:28 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-13 17:20 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 17:13 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-14 14:43 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-15 07:18 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-15 09:07 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 13:09 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-15 13:35 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 16:03 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-11-15 18:26 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-15 16:13 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "John Jackson" <jj@nospam.com> - 2015-11-16 13:27 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-02 17:20 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-12-03 20:39 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-16 01:16 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-16 08:22 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-02 17:16 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-02 19:14 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 17:45 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-13 21:02 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 17:54 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-13 18:00 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-14 12:22 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-16 08:12 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 12:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 08:21 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 16:39 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 10:22 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-16 17:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-17 16:14 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-17 06:22 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-17 11:30 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-17 16:43 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-18 08:29 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-17 17:38 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-17 17:36 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-18 12:23 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-18 13:46 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 07:31 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:52 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-18 10:02 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-18 18:25 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-11-18 13:37 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-18 11:06 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:21 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:09 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-18 16:09 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-19 14:56 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:53 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:12 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-11-19 16:24 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:24 -0700
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-19 14:26 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-18 16:09 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:11 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-11-18 21:25 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:18 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 19:04 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-21 11:29 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 16:01 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) maus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-18 10:10 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2015-11-19 10:06 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 15:32 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 05:58 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-19 19:15 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-11-19 20:50 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-11-20 07:59 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-20 07:07 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-20 14:24 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-20 17:58 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-20 13:33 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-19 11:23 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-19 18:36 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-20 04:52 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-20 23:27 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-20 16:34 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-21 12:47 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 06:30 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-22 01:53 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-11-21 18:33 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 15:11 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-11-21 23:59 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-22 20:10 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-22 06:30 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-23 05:44 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-21 16:45 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-19 14:34 -0500
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-11-19 21:40 -0400
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 15:14 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-11-20 19:27 -0400
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:09 +0000
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:29 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-19 07:25 -0600
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-11-19 06:56 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-20 05:50 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> - 2015-11-19 16:36 +1100
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-11-16 18:29 -0800
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) Mike Hore <mike_horeREM@OVE.invalid.aapt.net.au> - 2016-02-07 13:25 +0930
Re: IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical) jfehlinger@comcast.net - 2016-02-22 16:21 -0800
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| From | Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 18:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn4s5lh.8gt.mausg@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #154658 |
On 2015-11-19, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 11/18/2015 6:36 PM, Mike Hore wrote: >> ... >> (snip long conversation while I was asleep) >> >> Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >> >> US Australia (and some other places) >> >> paved sealed >> unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >> > > To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even > gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying > the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. > Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had > ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. > > Dirt/gravel would be subsets of "unpaved" here. Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. Then we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAdam They are still in the Highlands of Scotland. probably 30mph max. There is one, tarred now, from Rathfarnam, Dublin, to Laragh. It was built to allow the British Army to quickly deploy in to the mountains, as the scots ones were. -- greymaus . . ...
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 04:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9e7eed39-e172-4fe9-a6da-7062adc5229a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #154660 |
On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: > Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the most major thoroughfares. John Savard
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 23:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n2oa9g0f6g@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #154681 |
On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: > >> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. > > Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally > don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, > therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the > most major thoroughfares. Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 16:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87fv0042dc.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #154694 |
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes: > Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't > build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. I drove cross country in the winter to join science center in cambridge ... there was marked difference in I90 road quality crossing into mass (mass turnpike) ... i made reference to frost heaves being worse on mass turnpike than Idaho county roads in the rockies (i.e. little or no road bed rather than 6ft deep needed as countermeasure to frost heaves). Mass natives made jokes about interests required constant/reoccurring road repair every year (relative small scale compared to the "big dig" where claims were tha 90%, nearly $20B? disappeared into pockets). past posts mentioning mass turnpike (& annual reoccurring revenue) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#28 trains was: Al Gore and the Internet http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#35 pop density was: trains was: Al Gore and the Internet http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#36 pop density was: trains was: Al Gore and the Internet http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#68 Killer Hard Drives - Shrapnel? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#67 The problem with installable operating systems http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#69 The problem with installable operating systems http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003j.html#11 Idiot drivers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#49 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#36 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#39 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006s.html#6 Greatest Software Ever Written? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007p.html#74 GETMAIN/FREEMAIN and virtual storage backing up http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#38 what does xp do when system is copying http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#73 Cormpany sponsored insurance http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#22 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#24 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#26 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#55 The 10 Highest-Paid CEOs Who Laid Off The Most Employees http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#12 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015e.html#7 U.S. Files Breakup Plan http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#72 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 past posts mentioning "big dig" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003i.html#25 TGV in the USA? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#73 Cormpany sponsored insurance http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#41 fraying infrastructure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008r.html#56 IBM drops Power7 drain in 'Blue Waters' http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#0 Urban transportation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#55 TV Big Bang 10/12/09 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#11 The PC industry is heading for collapse http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012b.html#14 The PC industry is heading for collapse http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#15 OT: Tax breaks to Oracle debated http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012o.html#18 other days around me http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013e.html#68 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013n.html#48 'Free Unix!': The world-changing proclamationmade30yearsagotoday http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014d.html#4 Royal Pardon For Turing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014j.html#105 only sometimes From looms to computers to looms http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#42 Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#27 Federal Subsidies -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 12:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #154694 |
On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >> >>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >> >> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally >> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, >> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the >> most major thoroughfares. > > Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't > build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. > The construction company will build the road to whatever standards the government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. The standards for roads needs improving.
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-22 06:30 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dbbv35Fb9oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154703 |
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... > On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>> >>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>> >>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally >>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, >>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the >>> most major thoroughfares. >> >> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't >> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >> > > The construction company will build the road to whatever standards the > government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. Yes. > The standards for roads needs improving. No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense.
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| From | Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-22 01:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #154709 |
On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: > > > "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>> >>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally >>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, >>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the >>>> most major thoroughfares. >>> >>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't >>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>> >> >> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards the >> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. > > Yes. > >> The standards for roads needs improving. > > No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. Lots of repairs are expensive. It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 years between resurfacing.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 18:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <87d1v2226i.fsf@garlic.com> |
| In reply to | #154712 |
Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> writes: > Lots of repairs are expensive. It may be cheaper to go for a design of > road that can go for say 20 years between resurfacing. major US highways are designed for 18wheeler axle-ton mile load lifetimes (modulo basic structural issues like frost heaves) ... other traffic is effectively negligible: 603.1 Introduction The primary goal of the design of the pavement structural section is to provide a structurally stable and durable pavement and base system which, with a minimum of maintenance, will carry the projected traffic loading for the designated design period. This topic discusses the factors to be considered and procedures to be followed in developing a projection of truck traffic for design of the "pavement structure" or the structural section for specific projects. Pavement structural sections are designed to carry the projected truck traffic considering the expanded truck traffic volume, mix, and the axle loads converted to 80 kN equivalent single axle loads (ESAL's) expected to occur during the design period. The effects on pavement life of passenger cars, pickups, and two-axle trucks are considered to be negligible. Traffic information that is required for structural section design includes axle loads, axle configurations, and number of applications. The results of the AASHO Road Test (performed in the early 1960's in Illinois) have shown that the damaging effect of the passage of an axle load can be represented by a number of 80 kN ESAL's. For example, one application of a 53 kN single axle load was found to cause damage equal to an application of approximately 0.23 of an 80 kN single axle load, and four applications of a 53 kN single axle were found to cause the same damage (or reduction in serviceability) as one application of an 80 kN single axle. ... snip ... past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#41 Transportation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#7 OT Global warming http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#12 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#19 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#24 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#26 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#32 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#35 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#46 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#49 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#51 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#52 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#56 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#57 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#59 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#60 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#61 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006g.html#62 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#0 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#5 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#6 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#11 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006h.html#23 The Pankian Metaphor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007n.html#97 Loads Weighing Heavily on Roads http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#21 Horrid thought about Politics, President Bush, and Democrats http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008b.html#55 Toyota Sales for 2007 May Surpass GM http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#48 fraying infrastructure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#68 Historian predicts the end of 'science superpowers' http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#25 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008l.html#36 dollar coins http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#61 Idiotic cars driving themselves http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010n.html#39 Central vs. expanded storage http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010p.html#52 TCM's Moguls documentary series http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#80 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011n.html#83 A Close Look at the Perry Tax Plan http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#28 "Highway Patrol" back on TV http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#29 "Highway Patrol" back on TV http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014m.html#168 LEO http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015b.html#47 Future of support for telephone rotary dial ? -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-22 15:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dbctk9F7c50U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154712 |
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com... > On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: >> >> >> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>>> >>>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally >>>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, >>>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least for the >>>>> most major thoroughfares. >>>> >>>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company doesn't >>>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>>> >>> >>> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards the >>> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. >> >> Yes. >> >>> The standards for roads needs improving. >> >> No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. > > Lots of repairs are expensive. Might be why they don’t have lots of repairs. > It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 years > between resurfacing. Corse they calculate stuff like that, and also consider what money they have for doing it in the first place.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 23:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n2rlic$64d$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154715 |
On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, hunar wrote: > > > "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com... >> On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads >>>>>> generally >>>>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of >>>>>> construction, >>>>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least >>>>>> for the >>>>>> most major thoroughfares. >>>>> >>>>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company >>>>> doesn't >>>>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards >>>> the >>>> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>>> The standards for roads needs improving. >>> >>> No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. >> >> Lots of repairs are expensive. > > Might be why they don’t have lots of repairs. > >> It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 >> years between resurfacing. > > Corse they calculate stuff like that, and also consider > what money they have for doing it in the first place. Sure. But if your timeline is on the order of 5 years, and you're personally getting financial benefits from the contractor, the calculation might go differently. Maybe it's not like that in Australia (I don't particularly believe that, but don't know), but there are a lot of places in North America where that's how it is.
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-22 20:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dbdf50Fb6ntU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154717 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:n2rlic$64d$1@dont-email.me... > On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, hunar wrote: >> >> >> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com... >>> On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>> news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads >>>>>>> generally >>>>>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of >>>>>>> construction, >>>>>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least >>>>>>> for the >>>>>>> most major thoroughfares. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company >>>>>> doesn't >>>>>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards >>>>> the >>>>> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. >>>> >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>>> The standards for roads needs improving. >>>> >>>> No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. >>> >>> Lots of repairs are expensive. >> >> Might be why they don’t have lots of repairs. >> >>> It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 >>> years between resurfacing. >> >> Corse they calculate stuff like that, and also consider >> what money they have for doing it in the first place. > > Sure. But if your timeline is on the order of 5 years, and you're > personally getting financial benefits from the contractor, the > calculation might go differently. Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the same result standards wise if that was happening much. > Maybe it's not like that in Australia (I don't particularly > believe that, but don't know), but there are a lot of > places in North America where that's how it is. Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the same result standards wise if that was happening much.
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-22 06:30 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dbdqrlFe62mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154719 |
"hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> wrote: > "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message > news:n2rlic$64d$1@dont-email.me... >> On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, hunar wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>> news:N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com... >>>> On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads >>>>>>>> generally >>>>>>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of >>>>>>>> construction, >>>>>>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least >>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>> most major thoroughfares. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company >>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards >>>>>> the >>>>>> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. >>>>> >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>>>> The standards for roads needs improving. >>>>> >>>>> No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. >>>> >>>> Lots of repairs are expensive. >>> >>> Might be why they don’t have lots of repairs. >>> >>>> It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 >>>> years between resurfacing. >>> >>> Corse they calculate stuff like that, and also consider >>> what money they have for doing it in the first place. >> >> Sure. But if your timeline is on the order of 5 years, and you're >> personally getting financial benefits from the contractor, the >> calculation might go differently. > > Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the > same result standards wise if that was happening much. > >> Maybe it's not like that in Australia (I don't particularly >> believe that, but don't know), but there are a lot of >> places in North America where that's how it is. > > Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the > same result standards wise if that was happening much. "Tad unlikely" is an odd synonym for "Bullshit". Are you giving up on brand recognition?
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-23 05:44 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dbegopFju30U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154720 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote in message news:dbdqrlFe62mU1@mid.individual.net... > "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> wrote: > >> "Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message >> news:n2rlic$64d$1@dont-email.me... >>> On 11/21/2015 10:11 PM, hunar wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>> news:N4qdndklGo1rgszLnZ2dnUU78I8AAAAA@giganews.com... >>>>> On 21/11/2015 19:30, hunar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:W7mdnWkEdplS-s3LnZ2dnUU78b2dnZ2d@giganews.com... >>>>>>> On 20/11/2015 23:27, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-11-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:36:37 AM UTC-7, Greymaus >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Original real roads were built by the Romans, incredibly fast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads >>>>>>>>> generally >>>>>>>>> don't have frequent problems with potholes. This form of >>>>>>>>> construction, >>>>>>>>> therefore, should commend itself to our cities today, at least >>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>> most major thoroughfares. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not likely. The mayor's brother-in-law's construction company >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> build them that way, and they make too much money filling potholes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The construction company will build the road to whatever standards >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> government chooses. Choosing includes inspections. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. >>>>>> >>>>>>> The standards for roads needs improving. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, the government chooses the standard that makes economic sense. >>>>> >>>>> Lots of repairs are expensive. >>>> >>>> Might be why they don’t have lots of repairs. >>>> >>>>> It may be cheaper to go for a design of road that can go for say 20 >>>>> years between resurfacing. >>>> >>>> Corse they calculate stuff like that, and also consider >>>> what money they have for doing it in the first place. >>> >>> Sure. But if your timeline is on the order of 5 years, and you're >>> personally getting financial benefits from the contractor, the >>> calculation might go differently. >> >> Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the >> same result standards wise if that was happening much. >> >>> Maybe it's not like that in Australia (I don't particularly >>> believe that, but don't know), but there are a lot of >>> places in North America where that's how it is. >> >> Tad unlikely that they would all end up with roughly the >> same result standards wise if that was happening much. > > "Tad unlikely" is an odd synonym for "Bullshit". Nope. > Are you giving up on brand recognition? Nope, I have used both forever as you can check using groups.google.
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| From | "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-21 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n2q6v4$ebm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #154681 |
"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:9e7eed39-e172-4fe9-a6da-7062adc5229a@googlegroups.com... > Yes; unlike roads of macadam construction, Roman-style roads generally > don't have > frequent problems with potholes. This form of construction, therefore, > should > commend itself to our cities today, at least for the most major > thoroughfares. Cobble(r)s! ? :-)
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 14:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <603284697.469654373.282347.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #154658 |
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > On 11/18/2015 6:36 PM, Mike Hore wrote: >> ... >> (snip long conversation while I was asleep) >> >> Yes, dialect difference (also time zone!!) >> >> US Australia (and some other places) >> >> paved sealed >> unpaved unsealed / dirt / gravel (depending) >> > > To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even > gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying > the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. > Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had > ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. > > Dirt/gravel would be subsets of "unpaved" here. > They used to use oil contaminated with PCBs. I have no idea how many miles of road were affected. -- Pete
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| From | Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 21:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <s5ts4b9kvdhp0smnpnc6ijqmbmfvtfv6v6@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #154658 |
On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:23:31 -0600, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even > gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying > the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. > Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had > ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. I think that I've only heard "chip sealed", but only the cyclists among my acquaintance ever mention it -- a recent chip sealing is a good reason to avoid a road, even if it means abandoning a long-planned group ride, because the "chips" roll under your tires and are likely to cause a fall. Even after traffic has swept the loose stuff off, the chips cause a very rough ride until they have been pounded flat. I once had a terrifying experience when turning onto a road that turned out to have been chip sealed, but not directly caused by the sealing -- excess gravel had filled in a deep hole and made it look exactly like the rest of the surface. I fell into the hole, but somehow didn't crash. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 15:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db7l0pFrsliU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154670 |
"Joy Beeson" <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote in message news:s5ts4b9kvdhp0smnpnc6ijqmbmfvtfv6v6@4ax.com... > On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:23:31 -0600, Dave Garland > <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > >> To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even >> gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying >> the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. >> Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had >> ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. > > I think that I've only heard "chip sealed", but only the cyclists > among my acquaintance ever mention it -- a recent chip sealing is a > good reason to avoid a road, even if it means abandoning a > long-planned group ride, because the "chips" roll under your tires and > are likely to cause a fall. Even after traffic has swept the loose > stuff off, the chips cause a very rough ride until they have been > pounded flat. They don't ever get 'pounded flat' > I once had a terrifying experience when turning onto a road that > turned out to have been chip sealed, but not directly caused by the > sealing -- excess gravel had filled in a deep hole and made it look > exactly like the rest of the surface. I fell into the hole, but > somehow didn't crash.
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| From | Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 19:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6lav4bhlos51stqgur3grh7bmgmpu5onjc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #154671 |
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:14:13 +1100, "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> wrote: . . . > > Even after traffic has swept the loose > > stuff off, the chips cause a very rough ride until they have been > > pounded flat. > > They don't ever get 'pounded flat' But they do get sufficiently embedded that the ride becomes merely rough. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-11-20 06:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n2mdds130m2@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #154670 |
On 2015-11-20, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:23:31 -0600, Dave Garland > <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote: > >> To confuse things more, in the US road surface (bituminous or even >> gravel) is "sealed" in a maintenance procedure that involves spraying >> the surface with oil or asphalt and then spreading gravel on it. >> Apparently the proper term is "chip sealed" but I don't think I had >> ever heard anyone say that before googling just now. > > I think that I've only heard "chip sealed", but only the cyclists > among my acquaintance ever mention it -- a recent chip sealing is a > good reason to avoid a road, even if it means abandoning a > long-planned group ride, because the "chips" roll under your tires and > are likely to cause a fall. Even after traffic has swept the loose > stuff off, the chips cause a very rough ride until they have been > pounded flat. > > I once had a terrifying experience when turning onto a road that > turned out to have been chip sealed, but not directly caused by the > sealing -- excess gravel had filled in a deep hole and made it look > exactly like the rest of the surface. I fell into the hole, but > somehow didn't crash. ObThreadDrift: I once wobbled off a very narrow path and took a header into a 6-foot-deep ditch full of blackberry brambles. It took a long time to figure out how to disentangle myself from my bicycle (let alone climb out) without shredding myself (any worse than I already was). Ouch. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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| From | "hunar" <hunar@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-19 16:29 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <db552rF85jjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #154622 |
"maus" <mausg@mail.com> wrote in message news:slrnn4ojk8.19g.mausg@d2.org... > On 2015-11-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-7, Mike Hore wrote: >>> It's 5 days to Sydney by >>> road. >> >> So there _are_ roads going through the Northern Territory. >> >> Does one have to take special precautions when travelling along them? Or >> are there towns and villages and gas stations along their length, much >> like anywhere else? >> >> (Special precautions being things like taking an emergency radio, 14 days >> supply of food and water in case your car breaks down, cans of gasoline >> for stretches of road longer than the capacity of one's fuel tank, and so >> on.) >> >> If anything even remotely resembling that were the case, such a car trip >> would >> not be for the unwary. But then, going from Sydney to Perth by road, even >> if it >> isn't through deadly impassable jungle, still goes through a lot of >> Outback, so >> one probably should bring extra water along for that kind of trip too. >> >> John Savard > > Amongst the many things that irish people do is driving road trains, > truck-trailer combinations that the Australians use to transport stuff > long distances. (Actually, Darwin would be a bit far for cattle, without > rests. Not its not. The bulk of the live cattle trade with Indonesia goes out thru Darwin with no rests from the cattle properties in northern australia they are move from using road trains. > Roads are generally dirt, from what I was told. Yes, only the main highways are sealed. Lots of footage of that stuff in the series Outback Truckers. > Sydney to Perth is probably the most boring road trip on earth, Yeah, the bulk of it from SA thru WA is quite literally all one straight stretch, not a tree in sight for much of it. > again, I am told. You can see it on google street view. https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-31.7701221,128.5168892,3a,75y,59h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sgRpQtgElTXJEoJZqiEOs_Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DgRpQtgElTXJEoJZqiEOs_Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D392%26h%3D106%26yaw%3D59.09058%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656 > Film on TV about the train trip, with most passengers > older than pension age, reduced or nil ticket price. No one gets it for free, but certainly very heavily discounted for pensioners etc.
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