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| Started by | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| First post | 2022-07-27 17:25 -0400 |
| Last post | 2022-10-06 08:43 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 38 participants |
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Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-27 17:25 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-07-27 19:02 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2022-07-28 15:51 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-28 22:19 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-29 01:05 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed luserdroog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-03 06:36 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2022-07-28 19:25 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-29 04:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:07 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:52 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 13:04 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-29 18:14 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-29 19:42 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-30 00:14 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:31 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anonymous Reactionary <anonymous@internet.everywhere> - 2022-08-15 02:59 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-30 08:30 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-30 18:42 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed jtmpreno <none@znet.com> - 2022-07-30 13:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-30 20:29 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-30 22:16 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-30 22:46 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:00 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-31 17:20 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 18:25 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:42 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-01 22:48 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-02 19:18 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed phigan <phigan@bbs.penisys.cf> - 2022-08-03 03:03 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-03 15:19 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-04 19:05 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:09 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 19:11 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 19:49 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-05 10:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 22:34 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-09-25 10:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-25 12:16 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-04 21:36 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-08-04 21:18 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 15:48 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-08-05 09:32 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 10:22 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-05 13:37 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 13:03 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Freddy1X <freddy1X@indyX.netX> - 2022-08-05 08:38 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-08-05 16:35 +0300
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-08-05 12:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-05 10:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:06 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-04 16:11 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-03 00:04 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:46 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 22:19 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:43 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anonymous Reactionary <anonymous@internet.everywhere> - 2022-08-15 02:56 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-08-20 20:18 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-30 00:04 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-05 14:09 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 23:20 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 08:26 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-14 18:23 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-14 19:52 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-14 21:20 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-14 21:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 15:39 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robert Swindells <rjs@fdy2.co.uk> - 2022-08-14 21:22 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-14 16:58 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-14 23:00 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:22 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2022-08-18 03:28 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 20:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-18 17:05 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-19 00:21 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 19:58 -0700
the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2022-08-19 03:03 +0000
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-20 09:19 -0500
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2022-09-28 22:48 +0000
Re: the takeover of the US embassy, was: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-09-28 19:21 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 06:43 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-19 08:56 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 09:28 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-19 22:43 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:25 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-20 12:17 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 17:41 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-19 09:19 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:13 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-14 19:39 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 20:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 07:37 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-15 07:26 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-15 07:08 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 07:44 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:20 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-15 20:58 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-16 07:03 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-16 15:45 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-16 21:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-16 23:18 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-17 13:35 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-17 12:23 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-17 12:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 14:08 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-17 18:56 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 20:22 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:10 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-18 13:12 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2022-08-19 22:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 07:00 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-20 12:28 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 21:00 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:34 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-20 06:14 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 14:08 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-20 09:17 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 17:28 +0100
Norn Ireland (was: Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-20 17:46 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-20 10:39 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 20:05 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-18 10:49 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-17 12:13 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-17 17:28 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-17 20:24 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-18 13:04 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-18 15:56 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-18 13:49 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 06:48 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-19 09:43 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-20 11:39 -1000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:25 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-18 07:29 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-08-16 21:15 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-17 20:19 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-19 02:04 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-19 09:33 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-08-19 20:27 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-20 06:37 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-20 06:55 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed meff <email@example.com> - 2022-09-13 09:05 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-09-13 08:48 -0600
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-13 17:06 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-13 10:46 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-13 18:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-09-13 20:37 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-13 20:55 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-09-13 21:09 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-09-13 19:41 -0400
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-14 12:21 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-14 08:06 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-15 21:45 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-15 18:14 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-16 11:32 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-16 04:06 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-16 16:02 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-09-16 14:18 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2022-09-16 17:39 +0200
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-16 21:49 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2022-09-18 18:43 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-09-24 23:37 -0500
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-09-25 11:02 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-25 12:16 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-09-25 19:33 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-14 17:57 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-09-14 11:49 -0700
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-09-14 20:31 -0400
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-09-15 01:40 +0000
Re: binary, was Why the Soviet computer failed ERSHC <ershc123@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-09-14 08:17 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-09-14 12:12 +0200
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-14 07:24 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed luserdroog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2022-09-15 18:57 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:18 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-15 12:03 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-15 20:45 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-15 12:03 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-15 09:17 -0500
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2022-08-10 17:12 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-10 18:55 +0100
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-10 12:09 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2022-08-11 03:36 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-11 07:26 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-11 06:52 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-11 10:11 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-11 14:40 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-11 18:11 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-08-12 01:29 -0700
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-08-11 10:05 -0400
Re: Why the Soviet computer failed Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 08:43 -0700
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 06:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1557101644.682693839.242448.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #221841 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400 > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: > >> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified >> border. > > Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were > checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of > times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing > at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were > many many places that an open country crossing was no problem. > > Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the > border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other > side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the > UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU > border. > Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably would be good for business there, too. -- Pete
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On 2022-08-20, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400 >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >> >>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified >>> border. >> >> Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were >> checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of >> times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing >> at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were >> many many places that an open country crossing was no problem. >> >> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the >> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other >> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the >> UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU >> border. >> > > Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably > would be good for business there, too. > The whole thing is in confusion, Will the EU survive?. What will happen to the UK after the lack of fuel next Winter causes a revolution?. Will the US survive as it is?.. Will Russia, or China or India? All imponderables. Tucker Carlson pointed out recently that there are many people doing well in the US, and they will be a massive force against the Republicans in November. All a good reason to wake up in the morning. Will Sinn Fein take over in the Republic?. What did achilles call himself when he lived the women? -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 09:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l7r1ght6lqm0v1jpca6mmf09brub6qred2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #221845 |
On 20 Aug 2022 14:08:18 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote: >On 2022-08-20, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400 >>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>> >>>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified >>>> border. >>> >>> Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were >>> checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of >>> times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing >>> at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were >>> many many places that an open country crossing was no problem. >>> >>> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the >>> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other >>> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the >>> UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU >>> border. >>> >> >> Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably >> would be good for business there, too. >> >The whole thing is in confusion, Will the EU survive?. What will happen to the > UK after the lack of fuel next Winter causes a revolution?. Will the US >survive as it is?.. Will Russia, or China or India? > >All imponderables. > >Tucker Carlson pointed out recently that there are many people doing well >in the US, and they will be a massive force against the Republicans in >November. Fox entertainment is full of nonsense. -- Jim
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 17:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220820172835.6260d9232eedb7e85569be29@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221844 |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:14:36 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400 > > Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the > > border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other > > side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if > > the UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now > > an EU border. > > > > Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably > would be good for business there, too. The problem with that is that the EU has a lot of very strict rules about what can be imported (especially food and related items) and they *really* don't want to see the UK and NI becoming a hole in the border controls with a million and a half people poised to take advantage of it. Viewed from the other side the UK does not want to see NI being used as a route for people to enter the UK without border controls - despite the dire shortage of migrant workers in the UK which has caused the UK to leave millions of pounds worth of food to rot in fields - food which they will now have to import. Both the EU and the UK have a right and a duty to control their borders. All that being said, currently NI operates under EU customs rules so that goods and people can travel freely across the unclosable border with the ROI. The economy of NI is booming because of this because *they* alone of all the UK have access to the single market of the EU. This is called the NI protocol - negotiated by BJ and team. The DUP rightly observe that this means there's a customs barrier *inside* the UK (across the Irish sea) and are insisting on it being removed - and refuse to participate in the NI executive (which prevents it from working at all) until they get what they want. The other catch in this story is a little thing called the Good Friday Agreement - which ended the troubles in NI and guarantees that there will be no border on the island of Ireland. The UK are signatories to that along with the USA and the ROI. Nobody with a micro-gram of sanity wants the troubles back. Boris Johnson (and team) promised everybody they good have it both ways and got away with it, despite it being clearly impossible, then shafted the DUP as the only practical solution. One of his last acts as PM was to put forward a bill to give the DUP what they want by allowing anything that's intended to stay in NI to cross with no checks or barriers and telling the EU "trust us we won't let anyone cross the border to the ROI with it" - the EU are, unsurprisingly, not inclined to be trusting to the UK. There is a widespread opinion in the EU that if the UK passes that bill they will be in breach of international law and if that happens the EU will start legal action against the UK. That's the mess, and if there's any way out of it at all it will take an honest person with a mind like a corkscrew and an IQ of about 500 to find it. Looks like it will be up to Liz Truss - I don't think she qualifies on *any* count. The only simple (ish) way out of it that I can see is to re-unify Ireland - which has to be started by the UK government calling a border poll and the people of NI voting to become part of the Republic at which point the UK ceases to exist and there is only GB. Perhaps enough time has passed for this not to be seen as surrendering to the IRA but even so dissolving the UK is not going to be a popular move with the likes of the ERG or indeed the DUP, Orange Order etc. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 17:46 +0100 |
| Subject | Norn Ireland (was: Re: Why the Soviet computer failed |
| Message-ID | <20220820174606.23594e7cae98424c4522fda0@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #221850 |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 17:28:35 +0100 Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: [good stuff just a bit long] > The only simple (ish) way out of it that I can see is to re-unify > Ireland - which has to be started by the UK government calling a border > poll and the people of NI voting to become part of the Republic at which > point the UK ceases to exist and there is only GB. Perhaps enough time has > passed for this not to be seen as surrendering to the IRA but even so > dissolving the UK is not going to be a popular move with the likes of the > ERG or indeed the DUP, Orange Order etc. Or UK Brexit Conservatives. It'll also only encourage the SNP; another reason for the Tory 'British Empire's last stand'-types to rally together. -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 10:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1566926004.682709604.966593.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #221850 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:14:36 -0700 > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400 > >>> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the >>> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other >>> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if >>> the UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now >>> an EU border. >>> >> >> Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably >> would be good for business there, too. > > The problem with that is that the EU has a lot of very strict rules > about what can be imported (especially food and related items) and they > *really* don't want to see the UK and NI becoming a hole in the border > controls with a million and a half people poised to take advantage of it. > > Viewed from the other side the UK does not want to see NI being > used as a route for people to enter the UK without border controls - > despite the dire shortage of migrant workers in the UK which has caused the > UK to leave millions of pounds worth of food to rot in fields - food which > they will now have to import. > > Both the EU and the UK have a right and a duty to control their > borders. > > All that being said, currently NI operates under EU customs rules so > that goods and people can travel freely across the unclosable border with > the ROI. The economy of NI is booming because of this because *they* alone > of all the UK have access to the single market of the EU. This is called > the NI protocol - negotiated by BJ and team. > > The DUP rightly observe that this means there's a customs barrier > *inside* the UK (across the Irish sea) and are insisting on it being > removed - and refuse to participate in the NI executive (which prevents it > from working at all) until they get what they want. > > The other catch in this story is a little thing called the Good > Friday Agreement - which ended the troubles in NI and guarantees that there > will be no border on the island of Ireland. The UK are signatories to that > along with the USA and the ROI. Nobody with a micro-gram of sanity wants > the troubles back. > > Boris Johnson (and team) promised everybody they good have it both > ways and got away with it, despite it being clearly impossible, then > shafted the DUP as the only practical solution. One of his last acts as PM > was to put forward a bill to give the DUP what they want by allowing > anything that's intended to stay in NI to cross with no checks or barriers > and telling the EU "trust us we won't let anyone cross the border to the > ROI with it" - the EU are, unsurprisingly, not inclined to be trusting to > the UK. OTOH, the EU is being really hard-assed about it, because they want to shaft the UK. A little bit of leakage wouldn’t be a major problem. Anything intended to be resold would still have to meet the requirements of the destination country, however it got there. At worst it might cost a few euros in customs, and doesn’t the UK want a customs union with the EU anyway? -- Pete
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 20:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220820200530.9fc4e4d515c66a8f944c1b52@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #221854 |
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:39:50 -0700 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > OTOH, the EU is being really hard-assed about it, because they want to Yes it's our border, our food, our goods, our safety standards ... They are quite right to be hard arsed about it and it has *nothing* to do with shafting the UK and everything to do with preventing the UK shafting the EU by dumping unacceptable foods and dangerous products into the EU single market. It's self protection! > shaft the UK. A little bit of leakage wouldn’t be a major problem. It could easily be a *lot* of leakage. Also it doesn't take much leakage in animal feeds to pollute the food chain with things banned in the EU. Consider a NI cattle farmer who buys feed from the UK which turns out to have additives banned in the EU - when the meat from their cattle is tested they will not be able to sell it in the EU. Ooops that's one bankrupt farmer because he got the wrong feed. Dangerous children's toys would be another one - a little bit of leakage, say a container load of dolls with poisonous paint or choke hazards. How many dead children does it take to make a major problem ? A little bit pregnant! > Anything intended to be resold would still have to meet the requirements > of the destination country, however it got there. There are no borders inside the EU for it to be checked at and there *cannot* be since free movement of goods is one of the four *fundamental* freedoms of the EU. The point at which the standards are enforced is the point of entry to the EU, also in EU farms, factories etc. > At worst it might cost a few euros in customs, Where would those customs be ? Customs barriers are at ports of entry, and no at worst it's bankrupt farmers and dead children. > and doesn’t the UK want a customs union with the > EU anyway? The UK wanted to pick and choose and have free trade without free movement of people, services and capital - the EU, rightly, refuses to separate the four fundamental freedoms that make the EU what it is. At the same time the UK wanted (and want) to set their own rules about what they do and do not import and so their standards are expected to diverge from the EU standards. A country is either in the EU or out of it - there's no halfway point without an awful lot of negotiation and *trust* - the UK eroded every bit of trust the EU might have had in them during the Brexit negotiations. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 10:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3nnsfhlfffj181a67o5tiqe9i634ammkuh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #221798 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 20:22:44 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 18:56:06 GMT, Scott Lurndal wrote: >> >> I visited München and Österreich back in the 1970s, myself; One interesting >> difference between Bayern and Österreich - the hotel I stayed at in >> Seefeld was playing Hogan's Heroes (subtitled) on the small TV in the common area. > >May be by chance. > >When I started my duty in the German Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) in 1988, >they showed Full Metal Jacket. It only by chance had a relation to war, >as it came out only in 1987. The ship I was on had 'M.A.S.H. 4077th movie shown. Apparently the captain thought it was a war movie. But its an ant-Viet Nam movie. >> However, I have't had time to watch the video link you posted, but it's bookmarked. > >Thank you. > >I recommend everyone interested in the Cold War and especially Berlin to >watch just the first minute. If not hooked by then, forget about it. > >Here the link again <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY>, which >only runs eleven minutes. > >May be I'm just so obsessed to it, because I lived in Germany at that >time. And in June 1989 (no one could predict that the wall would come >down in November the same year) I traveled with the car to West-Berlin. I know someone who was a driver for the 155 mm howitzer, I think it was 155mm, that could fire pony nukes. >The West-German customs would just waive you through. The East-Germans >then would urge you to give them your photo ID (passport), and remove >(the awesome 80s style) sun glasses to compare with the photo. They put >it onto a conveyor which moved the document somewhere you had no control >over. Supposed they wrote down all data in there (scanning technology >wasn't really around for the East-Germans at that time) and handed it >back to you at the next station. > >You also had to pay 25 Deutsch-Mark (no joke) and they gave your 25 Mark >(GDR Mark). Traveling on the East German autobahn for some 90 kilometers >was odd in itself. You had to take care not to exceed the speed limit or >you're up for a hefty fine. > >On the way back you had to pay another 25 Deutsch-Mark. As you couldn't >exchange it back in West-Germany to Deutsch-Mark you could try to spend >as much as possible on a road side restaurant. "Unfortunately" prices >were so low that you still kept most of it. You could just have burnt it >in an oven back at home... When my ship visited the Med, some years there was an exchange rate that was very good for us. -- Jim
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-17 12:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1601520482.682456076.631219.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #221791 |
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote: >>> >>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The video is called "Walled In" at >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For >>>>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in. >> >> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments. > > I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most > people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks. > >> >> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might >> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite, >> it was literally the Iron Curtain. > > It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those > times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set > are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. > > I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin > a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with > a hammer pounding on the wall. > I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this stuff up just to make a buck, would they? -- Pete
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| From | D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-17 17:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4rqqfhl4bef1aqholp1ondtjc670imfou3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #221795 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: >Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >>> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The video is called "Walled In" at >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For >>>>>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in. >>> >>> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments. >> >> I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most >> people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks. >> >>> >>> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might >>> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite, >>> it was literally the Iron Curtain. >> >> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those >> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set >> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. > >Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. > >> >> I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin >> a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with >> a hammer pounding on the wall. >> > >I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I >have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this >stuff up just to make a buck, would they? If Dogbert can, then other folks can to. -- Jim
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| From | Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> |
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| Date | 2022-08-17 20:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <87h72a8klr.fsf@usenet.ankman.de> |
| In reply to | #221795 |
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > > Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >> >> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those >> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set >> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. > > Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. Agreed. Putin is doing everything to get the Cold War 2.0 back. -- Andreas
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 13:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <yNqLK.1065730$X_i.797387@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #221799 |
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: >> >> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>> >>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those >>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set >>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. >> >> Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. > >Agreed. Putin is doing everything to get the Cold War 2.0 back. Here is a very interesting report on Putin. https://www.understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlins-worldview
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| From | "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 15:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20220818155630.82a9b1ca1d217bf44a3733d2@127.0.0.1> |
| In reply to | #221808 |
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:04:30 GMT scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote: > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: > >On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: > >> > >> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > >>> > >>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those > >>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set > >>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. > >> > >> Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. > > > >Agreed. Putin is doing everything to get the Cold War 2.0 back. > > Here is a very interesting report on Putin. > > https://www.understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlins-worldview Very interesting. especially as it's (C) 2019, prior to the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. -- Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 10:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <390696122.682535608.096054.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #221808 |
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes: >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:13:51 -0700, Peter Flass wrote: >>> >>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: >>>> >>>> It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those >>>> times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set >>>> are too interested in ticktock and farcebook. >>> >>> Unfortunately, it looks like those days are back. >> >> Agreed. Putin is doing everything to get the Cold War 2.0 back. > > Here is a very interesting report on Putin. > > https://www.understandingwar.org/report/how-we-got-here-russia-kremlins-worldview > I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect, why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s lapdog. -- Pete
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 13:49 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <87a681f6xo.fsf@localhost> |
| In reply to | #221815 |
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: > I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect, > why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where > we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still > fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build > himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s > lapdog. ... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody, like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and resigned shortly thereafter. ... snip ... How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine) https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers, who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the U.S.-Russian relationship." ... snip ... trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting (kleptocracy) put end to efforts. consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been recruited in Cambridge) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-ebook/dp/B017MZ8EBM/ https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man this book sort of interleaves Smedley Butler's biography with what US continues to do around the world; Gangsters of Capitalism (predating economic hit man to current day) https://jonathanmkatz.com/gangsters https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/21/maj-gen-smedley-butler-marine-hero-who-saw-himself-racketeer-capitalism/ https://www.c-span.org/video/?517102-1/gangsters-capitalism https://www.amazon.com/Gangsters-Capitalism-Smedley-Breaking-Americas-ebook/dp/B092T8KT1N/ Smedley Butler was the most celebrated warfighter of his time. Bestselling books were written about him. Hollywood adored him. Wherever the flag went, "The Fighting Quaker" went--serving in nearly every major overseas conflict from the Spanish War of 1898 until the eve of World War II. From his first days as a 16-year-old recruit at the newly seized Guantanamo Bay, he blazed a path for empire: helping annex the Philippines and the land for the Panama Canal, leading troops in China (twice), and helping invade and occupy Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, Haiti, Mexico, and more. Yet in retirement, Butler turned into a warrior against war, imperialism, and big business, declaring: "I was a racketeer for capitalism." Award-winning author Jonathan Myerson Katz traveled across the world--from China to Guantanamo, the mountains of Haiti to the Panama Canal--and pored over the personal letters of Butler, his fellow Marines, and his Quaker family on Philadelphia's Main Line. Along the way, Katz shows how the consequences of the Marines' actions are still very much alive: talking politics with a Sandinista commander in Nicaragua, getting a martial arts lesson from a devotee of the Boxer Rebellion in China, and getting cast as a P.O.W. extra in a Filipino movie about their American War. Tracing a path from the first wave of U.S. overseas expansionism to the rise of fascism in the 1930s to the crises of democracy in our own time, Gangsters of Capitalism tells an urgent story about a formative era most Americans have never learned about, but that the rest of the world cannot forget. ... snip ... Smedley Butler online https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering Mahan plays prominent role https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s. https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/ -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 06:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfuch5.2a9.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221819 |
On 2022-08-18, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote: > Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect, >> why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where >> we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still >> fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build >> himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s >> lapdog. > > ... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of > Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach > capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody, > like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer: > Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, > Resurfaces in Ukraine > http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html > > If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true > proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an > extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional > Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard > faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and > resigned shortly thereafter. > > ... snip ... > > How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier > university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be > capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to > scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine) > https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html > > Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting > framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself > acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in > Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers, > who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its > cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the > U.S.-Russian relationship." > > ... snip ... > > trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks > across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic > country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting > (kleptocracy) put end to efforts. > > consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been > recruited in Cambridge) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man > https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-ebook/dp/B017MZ8EBM/ > https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man > > > Smedley Butler online > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering > > Mahan plays prominent role > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan > As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at > Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy > and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s. > https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/ > I am glad to hear from you, hoping you are well, next we might hear from BAH -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-19 09:43 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <87wnb4f29l.fsf@localhost> |
| In reply to | #221823 |
maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes: > I am glad to hear from you, hoping you are well, next we might hear > from BAH recent long-winded posts over on linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-2-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-3-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-4-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mainframe-channel-io-lynn-wheeler/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/john-boyd-ibm-wild-ducks-lynn-wheeler/ -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> |
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| Date | 2022-08-20 11:39 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <87czcuppbr.fsf@localhost> |
| In reply to | #221831 |
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#76 Why the Soviet computer failed http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#79 Why the Soviet computer failed linkedin along with archived copies https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mainframe-channel-io-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#100 Mainframe Channel I/O http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#102 Mainframe Channel I/O http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#0 Mainframe Channel I/O https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/john-boyd-ibm-wild-ducks-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#103 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022e.html#104 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#2 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#32 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#42 IBM Bureaucrats http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#60 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#67 John Boyd and IBM Wild Ducks https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#44 z/VM 50th http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#47 z/VM 50th https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-2-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#49 z/VM 50th - part 2 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-3-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#50 z/VM 50th - part 3 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-4-lynn-wheeler/ http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#53 z/VM 50th - part 4 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#54 z/VM 50th - part 4 youtube, VM Workshop, VM 50th Anniversary Celebration (precursor CP67 is 54th anniversary from houston spring '68 share meeing( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-QOjr8IaE&list=PL5WWepmN1fC2CuvO323tldEMwGJtu0gpE&t=2019s recent (facebook) IBM clone controller post (COMTEN, Interdata, perkin-elmer, etc) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#70 COMTEN - IBM Clone Telecommunication Controller http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#71 COMTEN - IBM Clone Telecommunication Controller and some IBM/PC comments in linkedin post http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#72 IBM/PC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#73 IBM/PC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#74 IBM/PC http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2022f.html#75 IBM/PC -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2022-08-17 20:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9aa8b8ce-1828-47dd-815f-7638a6820d54n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #221795 |
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I > have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this > stuff up just to make a buck, would they? There may be ways to tell. There is information available on what the Wall was made out of. Now I have visions of pieces of the Berlin Wall becoming like slivers from the True Cross. John Savard
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| From | maus <maus@dmaus.org> |
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| Date | 2022-08-18 07:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrntfrqjk.4ap.maus@dmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #221802 |
On 2022-08-18, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:13:53 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote: > >> I have a chunk too, or at least something that purports to be. At lease, I >> have a hunk of concrete and a certificate. Surely people wouldn’t make this >> stuff up just to make a buck, would they? > > There may be ways to tell. There is information available on what the Wall > was made out of. > > Now I have visions of pieces of the Berlin Wall becoming like slivers from > the True Cross. Very true. Even Vera Cruz in Mexico. What did they make crosses out of?. St. Helena started the idea, I read, and from then on, there were relics everywhere. I was reading recently that a lot of ideas travelled to Europe during the crusades, like St. George, the patron saint of England, originally a saint in the East. St. Nicolas of Myra's name travelled to the west, and so on. I might write a book, or even an e-book.. Hours later. Was Cadmus a previous idea of St. George. What name did Achilles use when he lived among the women?. Was the Nazi computer any good, or who clove the devils foot?. > > John Savard -- greymausg@mail.org Where is our money gone, Dude? Do you want earwigs with that?.
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