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The joy of FORTRAN

Started byLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
First post2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
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  The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 05:26 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-09-24 14:11 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 15:28 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-24 18:24 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:13 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 23:06 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:14 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:06 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 08:51 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 17:55 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 19:58 +0200
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2024-09-28 11:35 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:13 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 11:34 -0700
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 20:56 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:18 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-bi5-this> - 2024-09-28 08:13 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:26 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:17 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 21:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:00 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:12 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:51 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 02:29 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:03 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-27 04:23 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-24 16:05 -1000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-10-11 14:49 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 07:58 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 19:29 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:25 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:54 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:42 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 17:22 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:23 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-25 21:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 21:50 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-25 02:45 -0600
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:24 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-09-25 11:03 +0800
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:38 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 05:31 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 10:58 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:06 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 17:01 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:45 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-25 15:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:31 -1000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-26 06:04 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 06:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:47 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-26 07:49 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:48 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 22:36 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 23:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-26 01:32 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 08:21 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-nnv-this> - 2024-09-27 07:40 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 08:42 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 10:10 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-26 11:49 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:43 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-26 18:01 -0700
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-27 10:43 +0100
                              Re: The joy of VAX Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of VAX Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-28 19:05 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of VAX Robert Marshall <spam@capuchin.co.uk> - 2024-09-29 08:35 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 07:56 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of VAX Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                          The joy of VAX C Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:27 -0700
                            Re: The joy of VAX C The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:03 +0100
                            Re: The joy of VAX C rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 02:53 +0000
                            Re: The joy of VAX C Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                              Re: The joy of VAX C Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:10 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:18 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:30 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:05 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:19 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
              TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
                        Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
                          Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
                            Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:15 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:24 +0100
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:19 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-09-30 15:44 -0600
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:42 +0000
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-01 15:57 +0100
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:14 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:37 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:49 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 10:56 +0100
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-02 18:07 -0700
                                        Re: Recursion [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 01:22 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:48 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-03 03:04 -0600
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-03 18:35 +0000
                                        Re: C operator precedence rules Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:54 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-03 16:34 -0700
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 10:59 +0000
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 12:48 +0100
                                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:10 +0000
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:06 +0000
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:34 +0100
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:48 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-03 10:33 +0100
                                          Grace Hopper Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-03 10:35 -0700
                                            Re: Grace Hopper Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 22:19 +0000
                                              Re: Grace Hopper Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-04 17:17 -0400
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-02 11:30 +0100
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:59 +0100
                                Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:47 +0000
                                  Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-03 08:58 +0100
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-03 15:34 +0000
                                    Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-03 21:52 +0000
                                      Re: Multiple Inheritance [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 03:46 +0000
                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:09 -0700
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 13:52 -0700
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:27 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 15:00 -0700
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:21 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 16:27 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:43 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:58 -0700
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 16:15 +0100
                              Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:51 +0000
                                Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 14:59 -0700
                                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 22:17 +0000
                                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 16:07 -0700
                                      Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:54 +0000
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 03:15 -0400
                                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 07:43 -0700
                                            Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:23 +0000
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:40 -0700
                                              Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 21:13 -0400
                                                Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:38 -0400
                                                  Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-24 12:27 +0100
                                                    Re: The Joy Of Object-Orientation "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:10 -0400
                                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:44 +0000
                                          Re: The Joy Of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:42 +0000
                                            Re: The Joy Of Python Bob <bobv@bananacorp.nl.invalid> - 2024-10-24 11:51 +0000
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:57 -0700
                            Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-03 00:17 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-09-30 21:22 -0300
                        Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:31 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:38 +0000
                          Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 07:43 -0700
                    Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:19 +0100
                  Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN] moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-30 23:28 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 14:42 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:41 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 21:29 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 17:53 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 20:01 +0200
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 00:52 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 04:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-25 17:39 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-09-25 07:13 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-25 11:34 +0100
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-25 08:08 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-25 20:47 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 01:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:30 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 02:20 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 02:22 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:42 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 07:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-28 07:07 -0400
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-28 19:36 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:04 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-09-28 21:20 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 22:28 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:11 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:22 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:56 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:01 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:39 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 11:15 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-01 13:45 +0100
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-01 08:02 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:17 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:53 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:17 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of ALGOL-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:37 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:25 +0000
                                          Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 03:49 +0000
                                            Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 03:51 +0000
                                              Re: stacks are not hard, The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-04 17:07 -1000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:26 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:11 +0100
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-09-30 16:51 -0400
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-30 20:58 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:33 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-30 19:03 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:53 -0400
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:53 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:33 -0400
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 22:09 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 16:39 -0400
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-01 23:05 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-02 15:39 -0400
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-02 20:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 23:10 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:36 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 17:41 -0400
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-28 21:44 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:14 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:06 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-29 02:57 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 08:34 +0100
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:39 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:25 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 15:17 -0700
                                  7-bit encodings (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 00:36 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:15 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:16 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 19:29 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:24 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 16:31 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:12 +0100
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-09-30 21:26 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN-like languages The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:10 +0100
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 03:01 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 07:58 +0000
                                Into the woods of business Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:11 -0700
                                  Re: Into the woods of business vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-09-29 20:02 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:09 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:41 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:26 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:54 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 23:26 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 03:52 -0500
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-01 15:49 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-10-01 18:04 -0500
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-02 03:12 -0600
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-29 07:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-09-30 12:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 14:26 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 19:53 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:47 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 18:39 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 21:55 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:45 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-01 17:40 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:44 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:31 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-24 19:11 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-24 20:22 +0100
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-24 21:09 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-24 23:49 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:37 -0700
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-24 17:54 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 01:46 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-25 15:40 +0100
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-25 16:59 +0200
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-25 10:45 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 13:21 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-24 17:12 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-24 22:05 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-09-25 13:01 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-25 15:13 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-24 19:55 +0200
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-24 15:36 -0700
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 02:42 -0400
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-25 06:47 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-25 07:14 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-25 19:11 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-25 23:16 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-26 16:18 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:51 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-27 11:32 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-27 12:10 +0100
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:17 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-28 09:33 +0100
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:41 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-09-29 09:19 +0100
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 11:23 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:18 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-29 16:47 +0200
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-29 13:15 -0700
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-29 10:10 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:37 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-08 19:53 -0600
                          Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-09 05:46 +0000
                            Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 07:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Python "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-09 09:27 +0100
                                Re: The joy of Python lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-10-09 21:42 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of Python p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 04:39 +0000
                              Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 14:01 +0000
                                Re: The joy of awk p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-09 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of awk "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-11 09:25 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of awk John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-11 07:55 -0700
                                      Re: The joy of awk Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-11 17:59 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-10 07:48 +0000
                                Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 13:21 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of perl cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2024-10-10 12:49 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of perl Geoff Clare <geoff@clare.See-My-Signature.invalid> - 2024-10-10 15:24 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of perl p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-10 20:27 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:52 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-27 14:13 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-27 22:00 +0200
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 20:17 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 01:19 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:48 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-04 02:03 -0400
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 06:56 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 07:40 +0000
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-04 20:13 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-04 22:47 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:12 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:20 -0400
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:29 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-06 16:06 -0600
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-07 03:02 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-20 00:13 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:03 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 06:36 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 03:11 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-28 17:59 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 14:14 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:24 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-29 01:11 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 05:21 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:10 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Linux Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:26 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-24 14:52 +0100
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-24 14:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 19:55 +0300
                                                                                  Re: The joy of strong typing magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 10:56 +0300
                                                                                    Re: The joy of Python Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-24 23:04 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 08:37 +0200
                                                                      Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-25 07:07 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 13:14 +0100
                                                                          Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:58 +0200
                                                                            Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:41 +0100
                                                                        Re: The joy of Stick-shifts scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-25 14:02 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
                                                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-07 10:00 +0100
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-05 02:37 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 06:13 +0000
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-05 07:00 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-05 08:08 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 02:29 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 03:43 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-04 08:39 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-04 08:00 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-04 17:06 +0000
                Re: python abstractions, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-04 18:00 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 02:45 -0400
              Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 06:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-09-27 12:02 +0100
                  Re: The joy of Ada Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-09-27 11:53 +0000
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 00:01 +0100
                      Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 00:05 +0000
                        Re: The joy of Ada Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-28 01:31 +0100
                          The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-28 12:37 -0700
                            Re: The joy of Oldtimers drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2024-09-29 01:40 +0000
                              Re: The joy of Oldtimers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-09-29 07:17 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:35 +0000
                  Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 20:54 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-09-28 09:32 +0000
                      Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:30 -0400
                    Re: The joy of Ada Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-10-04 05:26 -0600
                      Re: The joy of Ada Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-10-04 15:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
                  Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 21:45 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 07:59 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-27 11:08 -0500
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 09:32 -0700
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-09-27 18:38 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
                Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:41 +0000
                  Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:35 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:46 +0000
                        Re: The pain of Excel Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 05:55 +0000
                      Re: The pain of Excel Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-09-30 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-27 21:49 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-09-30 10:36 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 18:51 +0100
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:48 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-30 18:04 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 21:52 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-01 01:26 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-01 01:39 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-01 11:35 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-01 15:39 -0700
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-02 00:58 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-09-26 23:30 +0100
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-26 17:52 -0700
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-26 21:20 -0400
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 17:43 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN geodandw <geodandw@gmail.com> - 2024-09-27 15:09 -0400
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-27 20:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-27 23:43 +0000
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-09-29 04:26 +0000
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-28 03:18 -0400
                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-28 09:12 +0100
                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-28 08:24 +0000
                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 01:28 -0400
                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 05:42 +0000
                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-29 20:00 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2024-09-29 17:08 -0500
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-29 23:28 +0000
                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 23:36 -0400
                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 07:40 +0000
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:52 +0000
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-09-30 20:19 +0000
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-09-30 22:04 +0100
                                      OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chuck Martin <cmartin+usenetYYMMDD@nyx.net> - 2024-10-02 07:40 +0000
                                        Re: OT: Scientology, was Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2024-10-02 09:57 +0100
                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-09-30 13:08 +0100
                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-09-30 14:19 -0700
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-02 03:34 -0400
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-03 17:32 +0100
                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com - 2025-02-25 19:33 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 20:26 +0000
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 13:43 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:03 -0800
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:06 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 13:22 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-25 21:40 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:02 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:19 -0800
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 23:48 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-25 15:57 -0800
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:51 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:01 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:37 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 08:03 -0800
                                                            Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 17:44 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 18:54 +0000
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:00 +0000
                                                                  Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:32 +0000
                                                              Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-02-28 07:30 -0500
                                                                Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:03 -0500
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2025-03-07 04:42 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-07 13:06 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-03-07 06:46 -1000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-07 19:23 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-08 03:02 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-08 04:12 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 05:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 00:21 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 08:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-08 14:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-08 20:37 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 00:20 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 07:07 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:55 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:40 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:50 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:37 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 21:14 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:43 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:03 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-11 05:22 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 10:47 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:36 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 22:50 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:30 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 02:22 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 21:56 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-10 00:18 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:36 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:00 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:30 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:23 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 18:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 19:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 20:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:16 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-5od-this> - 2025-03-14 07:47 -0700
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-14 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-14 18:47 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 18:59 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-10 12:23 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:09 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:10 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-10 20:47 -0300
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:02 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 08:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 09:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 09:10 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2025-03-11 09:44 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 18:27 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:07 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-11 20:38 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-11 22:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:50 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:02 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-12 14:33 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:29 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 21:40 -0400
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-13 13:07 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:21 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:26 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:44 -0400
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:34 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:47 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:53 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 04:37 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:36 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:51 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 19:59 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-14 03:13 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:27 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 03:30 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:33 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 02:24 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-15 17:19 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-15 19:38 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-16 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:47 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:01 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of Segways Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-15 18:08 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-16 10:59 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: The joy of Segways rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-16 21:55 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: The joy of Segways "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-l7z-this> - 2025-03-16 09:36 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 19:42 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-03-10 08:51 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:13 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:47 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:04 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:29 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-12 17:55 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-09 18:32 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 22:01 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-08 15:55 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 23:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:57 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:43 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 19:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 21:27 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 04:07 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 06:32 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-lkr-this> - 2025-03-10 06:41 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-10 22:15 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of PBX Programming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:14 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-09 10:29 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:09 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-09 14:30 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:30 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-10 15:56 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:06 -0400
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:41 +0100
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-10 09:53 -0500
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 21:06 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-24 12:07 +0100
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 00:47 -0400
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:01 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 07:54 -0400
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 01:52 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-25 23:58 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 16:56 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:04 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 22:57 +0000
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2025-03-27 08:09 +0100
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-27 18:32 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-27 03:39 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-26 00:02 -0400
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:57 -0500
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-09 06:35 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 04:21 -0400
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-09 16:51 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-09 20:57 -0400
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 05:18 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:06 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-10 21:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 11:02 +0000
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 17:26 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-10 18:11 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 05:40 -0400
                                                                                    Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 22:12 -0300
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 17:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 18:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-13 18:47 -0300
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:58 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2025-03-13 23:43 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-14 19:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-13 14:31 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Verbs (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-14 17:37 -0700
                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 04:00 -0400
                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 12:18 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-12 19:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:43 +0000
                                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-12 23:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-13 05:31 +0000
                                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-13 03:17 -0400
                                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-13 16:26 +0000
                                                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 00:47 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 10:46 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-14 07:13 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-14 14:03 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-2kk-this> - 2025-03-08 09:38 -0800
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-08 22:49 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-08 22:30 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 01:35 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:10 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:03 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) - 2025-02-26 19:23 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-26 19:37 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:43 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:13 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 08:37 -0800
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                    Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:39 +0000
                                                      Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:42 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:41 -0500
                                                          Re: where the PDP-8 came from, not The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:49 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:23 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:41 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:56 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:22 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-27 00:56 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 01:00 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 08:00 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 18:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:29 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:39 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 07:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 07:26 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:22 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 19:58 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 00:02 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:19 +0000
                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 18:11 +0000
                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-28 20:57 +0000
                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 17:51 -0700
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-01 01:48 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 14:47 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-01 20:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-01 21:28 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 15:21 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2025-03-02 02:50 -0800
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:34 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2025-03-03 00:25 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:38 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:07 -0500
                                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-04 12:02 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-04 01:06 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:36 +0000
                                                                Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-02 14:58 +0000
                                                                  Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-03 01:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 02:07 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-03 03:04 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-03 03:05 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-03-04 23:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 00:38 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-05 03:00 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-05 23:49 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 00:49 +0000
                                                                              Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-06 05:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:43 +0000
                                                                                  Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-06 20:22 +0000
                                                                                    Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-06 20:33 +0000
                                                                                Re: evolution of arithmetic, was bytes, The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-06 14:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 23:41 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-04 00:16 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:01 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 17:36 -0700
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 02:59 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-03 23:11 -0500
                                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 07:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 19:22 +0000
                                                                            Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:39 +0000
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:39 -0500
                                                              Re: evolution of bytes, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:43 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:34 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 21:11 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-01 04:42 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-01 00:04 -0500
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 20:11 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:44 -0500
                                                                  Razor Blades and Printers Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 22:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: Razor Blades and Printers Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-03 01:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 01:00 -0500
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-01 11:43 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:40 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:36 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:26 -0500
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-26 19:34 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 13:41 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 13:59 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-28 14:30 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-28 17:36 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-02-28 19:56 +0100
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 22:16 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-28 21:44 -0500
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 19:23 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:26 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 00:20 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:28 +0000
                                                  CISC did not die in 1990 (was: Re: The joy of FORTRAN) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-02-26 14:01 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 16:59 -1000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-26 03:31 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-02-26 14:24 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-25 17:48 -1000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 04:18 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 23:43 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-02-27 21:11 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:46 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2025-02-28 13:08 -1000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-01 02:46 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-01 18:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-03-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-02 03:31 +0000
                                                                      Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-03-02 20:40 +0000
                                                                        Re: ASCII not, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-02 21:44 +0000
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:58 -0500
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                                  Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-27 01:44 +0000
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 04:47 +0000
                                                      Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:19 -0500
                                                        Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-27 19:33 -0500
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-28 01:02 +0000
                                                            Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-02-28 03:05 +0000
                                                          Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:15 -0500
                                                    Re: byte me, The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-27 07:43 +0000
                                                    Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-02-27 19:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Univac 1100/2200 Byte Size (Re: The joy of FORTRAN) David W Schroth <davidschroth@harrietmanor.com> - 2025-02-28 19:43 -0600
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-28 12:42 -0700
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-26 00:13 -0500
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-02-26 10:04 -0800
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 18:20 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 01:26 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-25 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-25 15:47 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-26 00:17 +0000
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-25 22:36 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-02-26 03:12 -0700
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-26 19:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-02-26 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-27 01:54 -0500
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-03-02 11:42 -0500
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-25 19:16 -0500
                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-26 15:17 -0700
                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-27 02:14 +0000
                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-27 11:43 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-02-27 21:52 +0000
                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-28 02:34 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-28 09:47 +0000
                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-02-28 12:39 +0000
                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-02-28 20:24 -0500
                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-01 09:25 +0000
                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-02 00:17 -0500
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 09:39 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-02 13:41 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:11 +0000
                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 10:05 +0000
                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-03 15:24 +0000
                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-03 19:19 +0000
                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 13:15 -0700
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 03:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 14:02 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:13 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 21:28 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-04 23:28 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-05 01:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-03-05 18:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-03-05 18:23 +0000
                                                                          Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-05 02:40 +0000
                                                                            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-05 10:19 +0000
                                                                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 22:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: The joy of FORTRAN c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-04 02:24 -0500
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 09:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:44 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-04 20:38 +0000
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000
                                                                    Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-04 09:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 11:44 -0700
                                                                        Re: The joy of FORTRAN Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2025-03-04 22:28 +0000
                                                                      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-04 20:42 +0000

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#227145

FromPeter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
Date2024-09-28 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<176294049.749153962.392731.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#227085
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 17:52:07 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
> 
>>> VAX-11 Pascal, on the other hand, was wonderful. Enough useful
>>> extensions to make it a very viable systems programming language.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP
>> implementation was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.
> 
> Who remembers PMDF on the VAX?
> 

I installed it on a 750 at a prior employer.

-- 
Pete

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#227103

FromLynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2024-09-27 09:55 -1000
Message-ID<87r094dg79.fsf@localhost>
In reply to#227062
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> As Lynne will be happy to tell you, the original IBM TCP/IP implementation
> was written in IBM Pascal for VM/CMS.

The IBM communication group was fiercely fighting off client/server and
distributed computing and trying to block mainframe TCP/IP release. When
that got overturned they changed their tactic and claimed that since
they had corporate strategic responsibility for everything that crossed
datacenter walls, it had to be release through them. What shipped got
aggregate 44kbytes/sec using nearly whole 3090 processor. It was also
made available on MVS by doing MVS VM370 "diagnose" instruction
simulation.

I then do RFC1044 implementation and in some tuning tests at Cray
Research between Cray and IBM 4341, get 4341 sustained channel
throughput using only modest amount of 4341 CPU (something like 500
times improvement in bytes moved per instruction executed).

In the 90s, the IBM communication group hires a silicon contractor to
implement tcp/ip support directly in VTAM, what he demo'ed had TCP
running much faster than LU6.2. He was then told that everybody knows
that LU6.2 is much faster than a "proper" TCP/IP implementation and they
would only be paying for a "proper" implementation.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#227109

FromLynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Date2024-09-27 11:13 -1000
Message-ID<878qvc3in1.fsf@localhost>
In reply to#227103
trivia: late 80s univ studying mainframe VTAM implementation LU6.2 had
160k instruction pathlength (and 15 buffer copies) compared to unix/bsd
(4.3 tahoe/reno) TCP had a 5k instruction pathlength (and 5 buffer
copies).

I was on Greg Chesson's XTP TAB and did further optimization with CRC
trailer protocol with outboard XTP LAN chip where CRC was
calculated as the packet flowed through and added/checked it in the
trailor. Also allowed for no buffer copy with scatter/gather (aka doing
packet I/O directly from user memory).

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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#227156

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-09-28 12:30 -0700
Message-ID<vd9lft$1ceg1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227109
On 27/09/2024 14:13, Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> I was on Greg Chesson's XTP TAB and did further optimization with CRC
> trailer protocol with outboard XTP LAN chip where CRC was
> calculated as the packet flowed through and added/checked it in the
> trailor. Also allowed for no buffer copy with scatter/gather (aka doing
> packet I/O directly from user memory).

Did you work with Larry Green on XTB ? And was that before or after he 
left ACC to form CMC?

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#227000

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 08:34 -0700
Message-ID<20240925083451.00003205@gmail.com>
In reply to#226977
On 25 Sep 2024 04:38:54 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
 
> That sums it up. I've heard Wirth's languages described as programs
> that are designed to tell secrets to themselves.

That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
introduces language features that practically every single third-party
implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
found a Truly Special Genius.

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#227002

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 09:07 -0700
Message-ID<20240925090729.000048a9@gmail.com>
In reply to#227000
On 25 Sep 2024 15:48:01 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

> Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip up TeX back
> in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of the crop among his
> options. You got to put that language in perspective and see it
> through the lens of its time!

Sorry, nope. Lots of languages from Ye Olden Dayes have their share of
jankiness, but some things are just inexcusably wretched - and treating
arrays of different sizes as distinct types is the most boneheaded,
bass-ackwards solution to the problem of bounds-checking ever devised
by Devil, God, or Man. It *A.* adds compiler complexity only to *B.*
burden the programmer with the same amount of bookkeeping required in
languages without bounds-checking, while *C.* giving *less* flexibility
in the final analysis. Truly masochistic.

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#227008

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 10:05 -0700
Message-ID<20240925100544.00006d64@gmail.com>
In reply to#227002
On 25 Sep 2024 16:39:24 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

>   You call C++ "boneheaded"?
> 
> |#include <array>
> . . .
> |::std::array< int, 5 >myArray ={ 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 };

I call C++ *lots* of things, not necessarily fit for print ;)

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#227011

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-25 10:19 -0700
Message-ID<20240925101907.00000aac@gmail.com>
In reply to#227002
On 25 Sep 2024 16:39:24 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

>   You call C++ "boneheaded"?

(For real: is there *any* case to be made for any solution more complex
than C's arrays-as-raw-pointers, look-ma-no-bounds-checking bare-metal
approach that isn't simply "arrays as intrinsics/objects which known
their own bounds, enabling programmers to iterate over arrays of any
size worry-free?" I'm genuinely curious if someone can put forward a
rationale for anything in-between.)

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#227028

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-25 21:30 +0000
Message-ID<vd1vdt$3r2r4$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227002
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:07:29 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> ... treating
> arrays of different sizes as distinct types is the most boneheaded,
> bass-ackwards solution to the problem of bounds-checking ever devised by
> Devil, God, or Man.

It works fine if you have parameterized types, as in Ada. I think even 
Fortran can manage that now.

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#227020 — TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromRich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>
Date2024-09-25 15:18 -0400
SubjectTeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<mdd4j63pmo1.fsf_-_@panix5.panix.com>
In reply to#227000
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>> That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
>> perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
>> introduces language features that practically every single third-party
>> implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
>> found a Truly Special Genius.

>   Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip
>   up TeX back in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of
>   the crop among his options. You got to put that language in
>   perspective and see it through the lens of its time!

Pascal was used in the rewrite (2nd version), part of his Literate Programming
thing.  The original was written in SAIL (an Algol-60 derivative created at
SAIL, the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory).  The same thing was
true of METAFONT, first version in SAIL, second in Pascal.  DEK used Pascal
because it was spreading throughout the computing world, across tons of
different architectures.  (According to DEK, in his presentation on Literate
Programming at SHARE in San Francisco.)

The thing was, neither was written in "pure Pascal", but rather in his Literate
Programming formulation in which actual Pascal code was intertwined with TeX
documentation for the program being written.  The resulting source was then run
through either of two preprocessor programs, tangle (which stripped the Tex and
wrote out a Pascal source without linebreaks or human comfortable indentation)
and weave (which made the Pascal code acceptable to a TeX processor).

Someone else very quickly created C versions of the preprocessors, and the
modern TeX world was born.

-- 
Rich Alderson					  news@alderson.users.panix.com
      Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
	  omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
									--Galen

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#227190 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

From"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net>
Date2024-09-29 01:44 -0400
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<oJ-cnQSrLZDYdGX7nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#227020
On 9/25/24 3:18 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> 
>> John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>>> That's a marvelous description, although it fails to really capture the
>>> perversity of things like array-size-as-type-distinction; when a man
>>> introduces language features that practically every single third-party
>>> implementor has to provide their own workaround for, you know you've
>>> found a Truly Special Genius.
> 
>>    Dudes, when Knuth was on the hunt for a language to whip
>>    up TeX back in the day, he figured Pascal was the cream of
>>    the crop among his options. You got to put that language in
>>    perspective and see it through the lens of its time!
> 
> Pascal was used in the rewrite (2nd version), part of his Literate Programming
> thing.  The original was written in SAIL (an Algol-60 derivative created at
> SAIL, the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Laboratory).  The same thing was
> true of METAFONT, first version in SAIL, second in Pascal.  DEK used Pascal
> because it was spreading throughout the computing world, across tons of
> different architectures.  (According to DEK, in his presentation on Literate
> Programming at SHARE in San Francisco.)
> 
> The thing was, neither was written in "pure Pascal", but rather in his Literate
> Programming formulation in which actual Pascal code was intertwined with TeX
> documentation for the program being written.  The resulting source was then run
> through either of two preprocessor programs, tangle (which stripped the Tex and
> wrote out a Pascal source without linebreaks or human comfortable indentation)
> and weave (which made the Pascal code acceptable to a TeX processor).
> 
> Someone else very quickly created C versions of the preprocessors, and the
> modern TeX world was born.


   PASCAL is STILL my language of choice, when possible.

   Poetry.

   I've even got early DOS and the MS/IBM multi-pass PASCAL
   compiler on a VM. I do write little things for it from
   time to time just for fun.

   FPC/Lazarus are your modern PASCAL outlets and I STILL
   write stuff for those.

   Yea, yea, SOME stuff is just better in 'C' ... one of
   my latter pre-retirement apps was mostly Laz/FPC, but
   CALLED a 'C' app for a few special needs. Now for
   like client/server stuff, 'C' is traditional and
   kinda the best.

   To each need .....

   I just can't bring myself to TRASH computer languages
   on the whole. Some are 'better', or not, but they all
   were created with various uses/theologies in mind and
   serve those quite well. The only ones I came to HATE
   were LISP/PROLOG and ADA - the latter being SO fascist
   that, well, no WONDER govt projects take 20 years ....

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#227198 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 07:50 +0100
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdatb6$1l4ch$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227190
On 29/09/2024 06:44, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
The only ones I came to HATE
>    were LISP/PROLOG and ADA - the latter being SO fascist
>    that, well, no WONDER govt projects take 20 years ....
Well yes, that what happens when you let computer scientists take over.

I knew someone who ran a small company doing low level programming fir 
their custome hardware.
One day one of the coders said 'lets do the next one in C++'
So they did, and a year later realised that before you wrote C++ you 
have to sit down and write some or of spec to show what objects you are 
going to need to create etc etc.
In the same way I always write down a crude 'data dictionary' whenever I 
am implementing any sort of file based data system. And especially an 
SQL based one

But they didn't. They tried to hack it and it was a disaster.
I hate OO.

It is a compsci invention that doesn't map well onto an actually CPU 
which is a procedural beast.


Most of its vaunted advantages can be attained by writing C in a 
structured way and others like operator overloading are just damned 
confusing.

I don't WANT to use the same syntax to add two strings together as to 
add two numbers.

I found that out in JavaScript where a comparison between a string  "1" 
and a number 1 failed on IE but worked on Firefox.

I had found an 'undefined' gap in the language.

In C you are absolutely aware at all times what type of object you are 
dealing with and if you move to another one it's via an explicit cast. 
Or if implicit, you normally get a compiler warning.

In C if you want to deallocate RAM you say so. It doesn't silently 
collect garbage under your feet and take a millisecond to do it

Javascript silently just does what it *thinks* you meant. And gets it wrong.

In short there is a layer of uncertainty built into modern languages 
that attempt to map abstract compsci concepts into actual procedural code.

Which is why C is probably still the most popular  language.



-- 
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will 
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such 
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic 
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally 
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the 
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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#227200 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 07:06 +0000
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdauah$1lq1u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227198
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:50:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> But they didn't. They tried to hack it and it was a disaster.
> I hate OO.

But C++ isn’t really OO. It’s a kind of frankenmix of some OO-like 
features in with a bunch of other random things.

> It is a compsci invention that doesn't map well onto an actually CPU
> which is a procedural beast.

All OO languages are in fact procedural.

The opposite of “procedural” is “functional”, not “OO”.

> Most of its vaunted advantages can be attained by writing C in a
> structured way and others like operator overloading are just damned
> confusing.

Operator overloading is in fact very useful. It allows you to build what’s 
called “Domain-Specific Languages”, to allow you to express the concepts 
of the problem you’re solving more naturally.

For example, being able to overload arithmetic operators to work on 
vectors and matrices, which is useful for computer graphics work.

> I don't WANT to use the same syntax to add two strings together as to
> add two numbers.

So what syntax *do* you want to use to join strings?

> I found that out in JavaScript where a comparison between a string  "1"
> and a number 1 failed on IE but worked on Firefox.

That’s a misfeature of JavaScript, not a fault of OO generally. For 
example, Python doesn’t have that misfeature. And neither does C++, while 
we’re at it.

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#227209 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-09-29 06:55 -0700
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdbm8a$1oso0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227200
On 29/09/2024 00:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> All OO languages are in fact procedural.
> The opposite of “procedural” is “functional”, not “OO”.

I need to do some reading. My understanding of the difference is clouded 
by the fact that a subroutine is a procedure, but becomes a function if 
it delivers a return value. (Yes I am that old).

> So what syntax *do* you want to use to join strings?

S3 = string_join(S1, S2) .. or .. S3 = S1.S2 .. or even S1 .= S2
.. although the latter probably is hiding some ugly copying and 
reallocation behind the scenes.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:50:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> I found that out in JavaScript where a comparison between a string  "1"
>> and a number 1 failed on IE but worked on Firefox.

> That’s a misfeature of JavaScript, not a fault of OO generally. For
> example, Python doesn’t have that misfeature. And neither does C++, while
> we’re at it

Yeah, I like PERL a whole lot better than JavaScript. PERL has different 
operators for string compare and numeric compare. So if $S1 is "1" and 
$I1 is the number 1, you can test $I1 == $S1 (which casts the numeric 
string into a number) or $I1 eq $S1 (which casts the string into a 
number). If $S1 = " 1", the numeric compare is true, but the string 
compare fails.

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#227214 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-09-29 09:08 -0700
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdbu1m$1q55n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227209
On 29/09/2024 06:55, Lars Poulsen wrote:
> On 29/09/2024 00:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> All OO languages are in fact procedural.
>> The opposite of “procedural” is “functional”, not “OO”.
> 
> I need to do some reading. My understanding of the difference is clouded 
> by the fact that a subroutine is a procedure, but becomes a function if 
> it delivers a return value. (Yes I am that old).
> 
>> So what syntax *do* you want to use to join strings?
> 
> S3 = string_join(S1, S2) .. or .. S3 = S1.S2 .. or even S1 .= S2
> .. although the latter probably is hiding some ugly copying and 
> reallocation behind the scenes.
> 
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:50:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> I found that out in JavaScript where a comparison between a string  "1"
>>> and a number 1 failed on IE but worked on Firefox.
> 
>> That’s a misfeature of JavaScript, not a fault of OO generally. For
>> example, Python doesn’t have that misfeature. And neither does C++, while
>> we’re at it
> 
> Yeah, I like PERL a whole lot better than JavaScript. PERL has different 
> operators for string compare and numeric compare. So if $S1 is "1" and 
> $I1 is the number 1, you can test $I1 == $S1 (which casts the numeric 
> string into a number) or 
> $I1 eq $S1 (which casts the string into a number).

Of course I meant to type "which casts the number into a string".

> If $S1 = " 1", the numeric compare is true, but the string 
> compare fails.

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#227230 — Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromLawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2024-09-29 23:21 +0000
SubjectRe: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdcned$1tmdr$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227209
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 06:55:21 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

> On 29/09/2024 00:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> All OO languages are in fact procedural.
>> The opposite of “procedural” is “functional”, not “OO”.
> 
> I need to do some reading. My understanding of the difference is clouded
> by the fact that a subroutine is a procedure, but becomes a function if
> it delivers a return value. (Yes I am that old).

That’s my interpretation, too. But all too commonly you will come across 
“procedural” used as some kind of synonym for “not OO”.

My interpretation is: “functional” -- “evaluates to a value”; “procedural” 
-- “has some effect on machine/world state”.

The languages I like are primarily procedural, but also allow for useful 
functional constructs.

>> So what syntax *do* you want to use to join strings?
> 
> S3 = string_join(S1, S2) .. or .. S3 = S1.S2 .. or even S1 .= S2 ..
> although the latter probably is hiding some ugly copying and
> reallocation behind the scenes.

So Perl and PHP use the dot operator like you specify, Python and 
JavaScript use addition.

The nice thing about the Python syntax is that it logically leads to the 
idea of multiplication being used to repeat strings:

    "I say " + 3 * "hello " + "to you all"

evaluates to

    'I say hello hello hello to you all'

> Yeah, I like PERL a whole lot better than JavaScript.

Except it was never “PERL”, always “Perl”.

> PERL has different operators for string compare and numeric compare.

Python manages with the same operator, but because it doesn’t do implicit 
conversion between strings and numbers, this reduces the chance for 
trouble.

This is why, unlike JavaScript and PHP, Python has no need for a “===” 
operator.

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#227233 — Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

FromLars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
Date2024-09-29 16:25 -0700
SubjectRe: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdcnlt$1tru4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227230
On 29/09/2024 16:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> Except it was never “PERL”, always “Perl”.

I remember it as being an acronym for Programmer's Eclectic Report 
Language = hence all-caps.

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#227235 — Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

Fromp.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean)
Date2024-09-29 23:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<vdco9t$1tv2q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#227233
In alt.folklore.computers Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
> On 29/09/2024 16:21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> Except it was never “PERL”, always “Perl”.
> 
> I remember it as being an acronym for Programmer's Eclectic Report 
> Language = hence all-caps.
> 

one of many backronyms

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#227237 — Re: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

Fromdrb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone)
Date2024-09-30 00:54 +0000
SubjectRe: Procedural, Functional, String [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<q6GdnUOrNcJ9a2T7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#227233
 > > Except it was never “PERL”, always “Perl”.

Tell that to the Camel book.

 > I remember it as being an acronym for Programmer's Eclectic Report 
 > Language = hence all-caps.

Practical Extraction and Report Language, or Pathologically Eclectic
Rubbish Lister, according to the creators.

De

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#227226 — Re: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2024-09-29 20:55 +0000
SubjectRe: TeX and Pascal [was Re: The joy of FORTRAN]
Message-ID<lltt6uF4fseU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#227200
On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:06:57 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:50:14 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> But they didn't. They tried to hack it and it was a disaster.
>> I hate OO.
> 
> But C++ isn’t really OO. It’s a kind of frankenmix of some OO-like
> features in with a bunch of other random things.

Part of the problem with C++, at least in the beginning, were the books 
claiming to teach the language. C++ has classes; everything has to be a 
class. C++ has inheritance; Dog goes 'woof' Cat goes 'meow'.  

My edition is old but Stroustrp's book was a lot more restrained than what 
most C++ programming books presented.

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