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Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994

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Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 20:21:54 -0500, songbird wrote:
>
>> sadly i do not consider python as currently implemented to be OOP
>> ...
>
> In Python, everything is very much an object. To be specific, every
> value that you can compute in an expression and put in a variable is
> an object. Furthermore, functions and classes are objects, too.
>
> But then, every object is an instance of a class. So if functions and
> classes are objects, what are they instances of?
>
> And then things start to get interesting ...

  well, my perspective is that every created object seems to be
accessible through the references from the main program and not
really independently existing so you can't really isolate those
objects or prevent them from being messed with in some ways that
to me should be simplistic, built in and obvious.  but perhaps
i'm missing something or some finer point?  :)  i'll admit i'm
not too deep into this any more as i've been off doing other
things.

  ultimately what i think is that if an object is created then
after that the only way that object can be accessed is through
messages and only that way and that if somehow you really need
to get rid of an object that somehow has been corrupted or 
somehow lost track of you pretty much would need to reset the
whole system.  :)  which may seem to be extreme, but that to
me is what encapsulation would mean (and if messages were
encrypted then that would be as secure as i think needed in
this crazy world - and now i consider it being even more crazy
than before so even more needed).

  however, what do i really know?  not much these days as i do
not find the AI craze anything other than a wasteful and very
harmful boondoggle - sure some of it is useful, but on the
whole if you can't trust the results to be aware and reasonably
factual you would need to be smart enough to know what likely
parts are crap and if you don't who are you going to hire to
verify that?  what a mess...  keep kicking that down the road
as far as you like along with the wasted electricity and harm
to the environment.  yeah, it's great!  (not really if the
sarcasm didn't come through clearly)...


  songbird

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  Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-11-12 23:19 -0700
    Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-11-14 10:36 +0000
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        Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-14 07:36 -0700
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            Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:13 +0000
              Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-11-14 20:33 -0500
          Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 20:59 -0800
            Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 05:35 +0000
            Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-15 07:45 -0700
      Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:12 +0000
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        Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2025-11-14 21:44 +0000
          Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2025-11-14 20:34 -0500
    Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 20:48 -0800
      Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:08 -0700
        Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Peter Flass <Peter@Iron-Spring.com> - 2025-11-17 20:28 -0700
          Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2025-11-17 22:29 -0700
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    Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 02:45 +0000
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        Re: Visual Smalltalk v3.0 by Digitalk for OS/2, copyright 1994 Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 07:20 +0000
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