Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks

From	Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks
Date	2022-12-05 10:59 -1000
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greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> writes:
> The battle  ship `Bismarck' and the big Japanese one as well. One of the
> reasons for the Attack on Pe[a]rl Harbour was the US refusal to sell the
> Japanese scrap steel. The japanese wanted it for  to build
> superbattleships that turned out to be useless later.

Hull Note
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note

Story that (assistant SECTREAS) Harry Dexter White was operating on
behalf of Stalin ... Stalin had sent White draft of ten demands to
include in ultimatum hoping to provoke Japan into opening a war with US
... Stalin was already dealing with 3/4ths of German military in the
west and was worried that Japan would open a second front in the east.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White#Venona_project
More
Venona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/

Benn Stein in "The Battle of Bretton Woods" spends pages 55-58
discussing "Operation Snow".
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/
pg56/loc1065-66: The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to
provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name:
"Operation Snow," snow referring to White.

also: Another example of White acting as an agent of influence for the
Soviet Union was his obstruction of an authorized $200 million loan to
Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to
execute. ... contributing to Nationalist loosing China.

There is folklore that US used the bombs to warn off Soviets.  The War
Was Won Before Hiroshima--And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew
It. Seventy years after the bombing, will Americans face the brutal
truth?
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/

Supposedly Roosevelt didn't feel that US could defeat Japan alone and
had understanding with Stalin that the Soviets would attack Japan after
Germany was defeated. Stalin sent in 1.5M soldiers into Manchuria and
quickly defeated million Japanese and was supposedly within three days
of invading the Japanese homeland ... compared to US attacked Okinawa
with 600,000 military and battleships to defeat 76,000 Japanese ... and
might be months away from invading Japanese homeland.

... other trivia: Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway
https://www.historynet.com/wwii-book-review-shattered-sword/
The Untold story of the Battle of Midway
http://www.shatteredswordbook.com/reviews.htm
Shattered Sword
http://www.combinedfleet.com/MidwayBook.htm

... the age of the battleship had passed, it was now the time of the carriers

Parshall's Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway
https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-Untold-Battle-Japanese-ebook/dp/B005NIQ8SM/
pg5/loc76-78: The battleships wouldn’t be sailing this morning. No
surprise there, joked Akagi’s crewmen–they hadn’t done anything during
the entire war. For them the battleships were irrelevant, nothing more
than a symbol of a bygone era. Worse yet, in the workaholic culture of
the Imperial Navy, which, popular lore had it, operated eight days a
week, the battleships were seen as slackers.

other comments about the bombing of Pearl & battleships ... they didn't
get the fuel dumps (which would have taken months to replenish), they
didn't get the carriers, and taking out the battleships accelerated the
US Navy cultural transition to carriers.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-11 17:05 -0600
  Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 11:12 +0000
    Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-12 09:30 -0600
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-12 19:42 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-12 22:34 -0600
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:35 +0000
        Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:25 +0000
          Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-13 17:09 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-13 18:00 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 03:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-13 23:57 -0400
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:48 +0000
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              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:44 +0000
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                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 06:01 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:31 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-12-04 09:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-04 14:52 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-05 05:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-05 06:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:24 +0000
                Nukes or Renewables? (nothing to do with COBOL) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-02 10:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 09:03 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 10:42 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 14:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 16:15 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-04 17:35 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-05 11:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-12-04 21:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:13 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-12-02 13:51 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 09:12 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 14:28 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-02 20:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 16:34 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-12-03 16:38 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-03 17:00 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-03 18:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-04 09:27 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-12-02 15:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-12-01 15:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-12-02 08:01 +1000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-12-01 23:41 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 10:22 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 19:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-11-14 19:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 20:29 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-15 04:48 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:50 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 21:46 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:06 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-11-15 10:33 -0600
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:04 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:11 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:59 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 18:25 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-11-14 19:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 21:33 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-11-15 15:10 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-15 16:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 13:51 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 11:08 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-11-14 18:19 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 21:20 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-15 10:43 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 18:24 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-11-14 15:30 -0400
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 13:34 +0000
              Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-14 07:52 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> - 2022-11-14 16:23 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-11-14 17:51 +0000
            Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-11-17 02:50 -0600
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:12 +0000
    Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> - 2022-11-12 15:38 +0000
      Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 10:13 +0000

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