Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2022 10:59:29 -1000 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 70 Message-ID: <87mt81bm8e.fsf@localhost> References: <721150766.691789716.712269.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <2130704141.691814212.489850.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <1064019527.691943082.587464.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="c97655b72ab53e0782ad894f47ebfefa"; logging-data="40067"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wnTekv1Hl3LbEdNcMcBEgT2lV1rjLlDU=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jsl+QqM/pxwqeXAFj2Kb+CSDHms= sha1:kN2DTihqcRuTvvvUdV9tb5vGdqE= Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:223017 greymaus writes: > The battle ship `Bismarck' and the big Japanese one as well. One of the > reasons for the Attack on Pe[a]rl Harbour was the US refusal to sell the > Japanese scrap steel. The japanese wanted it for to build > superbattleships that turned out to be useless later. Hull Note https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note Story that (assistant SECTREAS) Harry Dexter White was operating on behalf of Stalin ... Stalin had sent White draft of ten demands to include in ultimatum hoping to provoke Japan into opening a war with US ... Stalin was already dealing with 3/4ths of German military in the west and was worried that Japan would open a second front in the east. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White#Venona_project More Venona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/ Benn Stein in "The Battle of Bretton Woods" spends pages 55-58 discussing "Operation Snow". https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/ pg56/loc1065-66: The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name: "Operation Snow," snow referring to White. also: Another example of White acting as an agent of influence for the Soviet Union was his obstruction of an authorized $200 million loan to Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to execute. ... contributing to Nationalist loosing China. There is folklore that US used the bombs to warn off Soviets. The War Was Won Before Hiroshima--And the Generals Who Dropped the Bomb Knew It. Seventy years after the bombing, will Americans face the brutal truth? https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/ Supposedly Roosevelt didn't feel that US could defeat Japan alone and had understanding with Stalin that the Soviets would attack Japan after Germany was defeated. Stalin sent in 1.5M soldiers into Manchuria and quickly defeated million Japanese and was supposedly within three days of invading the Japanese homeland ... compared to US attacked Okinawa with 600,000 military and battleships to defeat 76,000 Japanese ... and might be months away from invading Japanese homeland. ... other trivia: Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway https://www.historynet.com/wwii-book-review-shattered-sword/ The Untold story of the Battle of Midway http://www.shatteredswordbook.com/reviews.htm Shattered Sword http://www.combinedfleet.com/MidwayBook.htm ... the age of the battleship had passed, it was now the time of the carriers Parshall's Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway https://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Sword-Untold-Battle-Japanese-ebook/dp/B005NIQ8SM/ pg5/loc76-78: The battleships wouldn’t be sailing this morning. No surprise there, joked Akagi’s crewmen–they hadn’t done anything during the entire war. For them the battleships were irrelevant, nothing more than a symbol of a bygone era. Worse yet, in the workaholic culture of the Imperial Navy, which, popular lore had it, operated eight days a week, the battleships were seen as slackers. other comments about the bombing of Pearl & battleships ... they didn't get the fuel dumps (which would have taken months to replenish), they didn't get the carriers, and taking out the battleships accelerated the US Navy cultural transition to carriers. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970