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| Date | 2018-09-11 16:26 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: my 'take' on the election |
| From | "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> |
Thomas Friedman's take: What if Trump is actually heating up our economy by burning all the furniture in the house? It’s going to be nice and toasty for us — at least for a while — but where will our kids sleep? What if Trump’s tax cuts, deregulation, scrapping of Obamacare without any alternative and military spending surge were actually ill-thought-through, short-term-focused initiatives that all ignored expert opinion — because they mostly emerged from off-the-cuff remarks at Trump pep rallies — and collectively amount to a sugar high that not only will be unsustainable but will leave our economy far more vulnerable in the long term? When Trump simultaneously cuts corporate taxes and withdraws America from the Paris climate accord, tries to revive the coal industry by lowering pollution standards and weakens fuel economy standards for U.S.-made cars and trucks, he is vastly adding to the financial debts and carbon debts that will burden our children. And he is doing this despite many economists warning that increasing the deficit when your economy is already growing nicely is really, really reckless — because you may need that money to stimulate your way out of the next recession. And he is doing this at a time when virtually every climate scientist has warned that global-warming-driven extreme weather events — droughts, floods and wildfires — are sharply on the rise and we are staring through the last window of time to mitigate climate change so that we can manage the impacts that are already unavoidable and avoid the impacts that will be terrifyingly unmanageable. In June, The Associated Press reported on the latest International Monetary Fund survey of the U.S. economy, which concluded that as a result of Trump’s “tax cuts and expected increases in defense and domestic programs, the federal budget deficit as a percentage of the total economy will exceed 4.5 percent of G.D.P. by next year — nearly double what it was just three years ago.” Faced with so much debt, which the country will not be able to grow out of, The A.P. story continued, paraphrasing the I.M.F. report, the U.S. “may need to take politically painful steps,” such as cutting Social Security benefits and imposing higher taxes on consumers. (We’ll probably also have to limit spending on new roads, bridges and research.) You might want to let your kids know that. There were responsible ways to cut taxes on things we want more of — like corporate investment — while boosting them on things we want less of — like carbon, reckless financial speculation and diabetes — that could have stimulated jobs and growth but also left us more financially and environmentally resilient. But both Trump and the anonymous-G.O.P. crowd rejected them, just as they rejected smart improvements to Obamacare, preferring a total scrapping. So when Republicans say they’re disgusted by Trump’s ignorance and indecency but love his “deregulations” and “tax reforms” — those very sanitized words — this is what they love: taking huge fiscal and environmental risks — effectively throwing away our bumpers and spare tires that we may soon need to drive through the next financial or climate storm — for a short-term economic and political high. How different is that from Trump’s indecency? Let’s be clear, Trump cheated on his wife, but his party’s now cheating on their kids. You tell me who’s worse. And don’t get me started on the recently signed $716 billion defense budget for the 2019 fiscal year — a spending hike so dramatic, as defense analyst Lawrence Korb pointed out, that it means since Trump took office under two years ago, “the defense budget will have grown by $133 billion, or 23 percent.” And there’s no major war going on. Here again, the anonymous-Republicans equate a bigger defense budget and more weapons with strategy and strength. Thus, by definition, if Trump increased defense spending, he did something right. Did I miss the series of congressional hearings with independent military experts that addressed the question: What are the new (and old) threats we’re facing today, and how will these new and vastly expensive weapons systems enable us to better address them? Some of the smartest military analysts I know think that investing in so many big, new weapons systems is the equivalent of taking sledgehammers to droplets of quicksilver... In sum, I believe in a robust military and U.S. global engagement. But this does not automatically translate into support for a radically higher defense budget. So the next time anonymous-G.O.P. lawmakers tell you that while Trump is a moral wreck — and they are saving the nation from his wretchedness — they love his tax cuts, deregulation and military budget, ask them to describe the strategic vision behind that defense budget. Ask them if they really are unbothered by massively increasing the deficit at a time when our economy was already growing — just when we should be saving cash to soften our next recession. Ask them if they really think it is smart to roll back our auto mileage standards, when the last time we did that the more fuel-efficient Japanese and Korean auto industries nearly killed Detroit. Lastly, ask them if they have kids — and how they think all these Trumpian policies that they like, even if they don’t like Trump, will serve the next generation. *** That's right. That's exactly what Trump is doing. In effect he's "running up America's credit cards" to make himself look impressive while sabotaging the long-term future - everyone who comes after him. An interesting way to view unemployment is to look at the general trend across each president's term. Look at what it was when they took office, then what the trends were, then what it was when they left office. Truman entered 3.4 exited 2.6 Very low Eisenhower entered 2.6 exited 6.9 Steady rise to fairly high Kennedy entered 6.9 exited 5.6 Moderate fall to low Johnson entered 5.6 exited 3.4 Steady fall to very low Nixon entered 3.4 exited 5.9 Steady rise to fairly high Ford entered 5.9 exited 7.6 Moderate rise to high Carter entered 7.6 exited 7.4 Steady fall then steady rise to high Reagan entered 7.4 exited 5.2 Strong rise then steady fall to low Bush Sr entered 5.2 exited 7.1 Steady rise to fairly high Clinton entered 7.1 exited 4.3 Steady fall to very low Bush Jr entered 4.3 exited 7.8 Rise to fall to rise to high Obama entered 7.8 exited 4.7 Strong rise then steady fall to low Trump entered 4.7 exited ? Steady fall to ? Nixon's, Bush Sr's and Eisenhower's patterns were the same. All three steadily rose to fairly high. Reagan's and Obama's pattern were the same. Both started with big problems but got them under control. Clinton and Johnson's patterns were also the same. Both brought it steadily down to very low. No one really knows what will happen with Trump but I think Friedman's description and possible prediction is perfect, i.e. that Trump will: "...collectively amount to a sugar high that not only will be unsustainable but will leave our economy far more vulnerable in the long term." He'll set up whoever comes after him to have it really bad. .
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Re: my 'take' on the election "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:26 -0700
Re: my 'take' on the election "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-16 12:09 -0700
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Re: Hopefully you guys can look at a few pictures "Jeremy H. Donovan" <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 14:57 -0700
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Re: same ole, same ole thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> - 2018-09-06 10:55 +0800
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