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  Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 21:55 +0000
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 22:50 +0000
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:03 -0400
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:09 -0400
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 22:00 -0400
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 06:20 +0000
        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-23 07:05 +0000
        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:13 -0400
          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-23 09:52 -0400
            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 00:38 +0000
              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-24 06:16 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 03:30 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-24 16:58 +0000
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 13:19 -0400
                      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 13:35 -0400
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 14:22 -0400
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-24 18:41 +0000
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 14:50 -0400
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-24 19:08 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 15:32 -0400
                                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-25 15:25 +0000
                                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 12:39 -0400
                                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 16:36 -0400
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-24 18:51 +0000
                      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 00:20 +0000
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 20:58 -0400
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:52 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 03:10 -0400
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 05:44 -0400
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 03:18 -0400
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:52 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:53 -0400
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-25 15:35 +0000
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:45 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-26 15:38 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-27 19:50 +1100
                                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-27 15:52 +0000
                                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-28 19:43 +1100
          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 23:37 +0000
            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 08:54 -0400
              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-24 17:14 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 13:21 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 15:59 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 00:45 +0000
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 21:44 -0400
                      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 06:48 +0000
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 08:52 -0400
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-03-25 13:02 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-25 09:16 -0400
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 17:30 -0400
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:41 +0000
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:37 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-26 08:33 -0400
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-03-26 12:45 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 17:13 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-03-26 17:21 +0000
                                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-27 07:25 -0500
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:31 +0000
              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 20:38 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 19:27 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 23:36 +0000
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-24 21:34 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 07:05 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 12:04 +0000
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-26 19:43 +0000
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 15:46 -0400
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:18 +0000
        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 00:29 +0000
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:09 -0400
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-22 22:08 -0400
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:08 -0400
        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-23 07:17 -0400
          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-23 15:10 -0400
            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 00:36 +0000
              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-24 06:21 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 11:15 -0400
                  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 17:48 +0000
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-24 16:59 -0400
                    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-25 01:19 +0000
                      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 02:15 -0400
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:33 +0000
                          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 03:13 +0000
                            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 20:31 +0000
                              Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-27 19:57 +1100
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 03:07 +0000
                      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 08:26 +0000
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-25 06:14 -0400
                        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 03:46 +0000
        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 23:38 +0000
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 20:32 +0000
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-04 01:47 +0000

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#17943 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-03-24 3:08 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> >> On 2025-03-24 2:41 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> >>>     AFAIC, this 'AMD stuttering' issue is old and fixed 'news'.
> >>>
> >>>     See the January thread 'This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS --
> >>> If Your Time Is Worth Nothing' in these groups.
> >>>
> >>>     See Andrzej Matuch's post [1] in that thread and my and his responses.
> >>>
> >>>     As mentioned in my last response [2], in my case there was a BIOS
> >>> firmware update.
> >>>
> >>> [1] Message-ID: <z0ldP.24349$DPp5.18068@fx01.iad>
> >>> [2] Message-ID: <vl92ie.qp8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
> >>
> >> Except that it's not fixed. Some manufacturers might have provided a
> >> BIOS to fix the issue, but most have yet to do so on the laptop side. My
> >> model computer, the Zephyrus GA401QM, hasn't had a BIOS update since
> >> 2023. Everyone expected that the 415 update would fix the issue since it
> >> was repeatedly mentioned by users, but ASUS never bothered to fix it.
> >> The most likely reason is because they can't.
> > 
> >    In the previous thread, Andrzej references
> > <https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-acknowledges-ftpm-stuttering-issues-promises-a-bios-fix-in-may>
> > 
> >    From that, I understand that AMD supplies the fix to the manufacturers,
> > which of course have to integrate it in their firmware. If those
> > manufacturers - in your case ASUS - fail to do so, that's hardly AMD's
> > fault. That's the risk of using fTPM, instead of a real TPM.
> > 
> >    As I said, my system was fixed and - as I mentioned in the other
> > thread - that is a (2022) (HP) *laptop*.
> 
> Did the latest (or any previous) BIOS update mention fixing fTPM 
> specifically? I ask because it is also possible that the problem is 
> still there but that you haven't yet encountered it.

  To be [f|F]rank, you could well be right. The 'Fixes'/'Revision
history' I have (the publicly available ones) do not specifically
mention fixing fTPM, only general comments such as "improved security"
and "improved system stability".

  As I mentioned in the other thread, this was the only BIOS update
which was force installed and was released after the AMD fTPM problem
was fixed by AMD.

  Bottom line: I think the problem was fixed in my laptop, but don't
have any actual proof.

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#17945 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 2025-03-25 11:25, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-03-24 3:08 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-03-24 2:41 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>>>>>      AFAIC, this 'AMD stuttering' issue is old and fixed 'news'.
>>>>>
>>>>>      See the January thread 'This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS --
>>>>> If Your Time Is Worth Nothing' in these groups.
>>>>>
>>>>>      See Andrzej Matuch's post [1] in that thread and my and his responses.
>>>>>
>>>>>      As mentioned in my last response [2], in my case there was a BIOS
>>>>> firmware update.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Message-ID: <z0ldP.24349$DPp5.18068@fx01.iad>
>>>>> [2] Message-ID: <vl92ie.qp8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
>>>>
>>>> Except that it's not fixed. Some manufacturers might have provided a
>>>> BIOS to fix the issue, but most have yet to do so on the laptop side. My
>>>> model computer, the Zephyrus GA401QM, hasn't had a BIOS update since
>>>> 2023. Everyone expected that the 415 update would fix the issue since it
>>>> was repeatedly mentioned by users, but ASUS never bothered to fix it.
>>>> The most likely reason is because they can't.
>>>
>>>     In the previous thread, Andrzej references
>>> <https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-acknowledges-ftpm-stuttering-issues-promises-a-bios-fix-in-may>
>>>
>>>     From that, I understand that AMD supplies the fix to the manufacturers,
>>> which of course have to integrate it in their firmware. If those
>>> manufacturers - in your case ASUS - fail to do so, that's hardly AMD's
>>> fault. That's the risk of using fTPM, instead of a real TPM.
>>>
>>>     As I said, my system was fixed and - as I mentioned in the other
>>> thread - that is a (2022) (HP) *laptop*.
>>
>> Did the latest (or any previous) BIOS update mention fixing fTPM
>> specifically? I ask because it is also possible that the problem is
>> still there but that you haven't yet encountered it.
> 
>    To be [f|F]rank, you could well be right. The 'Fixes'/'Revision
> history' I have (the publicly available ones) do not specifically
> mention fixing fTPM, only general comments such as "improved security"
> and "improved system stability".
> 
>    As I mentioned in the other thread, this was the only BIOS update
> which was force installed and was released after the AMD fTPM problem
> was fixed by AMD.
> 
>    Bottom line: I think the problem was fixed in my laptop, but don't
> have any actual proof.

Well, if in the future you are watching any kind of media and the sound 
becomes extremely distorted for three seconds, as if the space-time 
continuum has been broken, you will have faced fTPM stuttering.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#17948 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Tue, 3/25/2025 12:39 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2025-03-25 11:25, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-24 3:08 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-03-24 2:41 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>>>      AFAIC, this 'AMD stuttering' issue is old and fixed 'news'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      See the January thread 'This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS --
>>>>>> If Your Time Is Worth Nothing' in these groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      See Andrzej Matuch's post [1] in that thread and my and his responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      As mentioned in my last response [2], in my case there was a BIOS
>>>>>> firmware update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] Message-ID: <z0ldP.24349$DPp5.18068@fx01.iad>
>>>>>> [2] Message-ID: <vl92ie.qp8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that it's not fixed. Some manufacturers might have provided a
>>>>> BIOS to fix the issue, but most have yet to do so on the laptop side. My
>>>>> model computer, the Zephyrus GA401QM, hasn't had a BIOS update since
>>>>> 2023. Everyone expected that the 415 update would fix the issue since it
>>>>> was repeatedly mentioned by users, but ASUS never bothered to fix it.
>>>>> The most likely reason is because they can't.
>>>>
>>>>     In the previous thread, Andrzej references
>>>> <https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-acknowledges-ftpm-stuttering-issues-promises-a-bios-fix-in-may>
>>>>
>>>>     From that, I understand that AMD supplies the fix to the manufacturers,
>>>> which of course have to integrate it in their firmware. If those
>>>> manufacturers - in your case ASUS - fail to do so, that's hardly AMD's
>>>> fault. That's the risk of using fTPM, instead of a real TPM.
>>>>
>>>>     As I said, my system was fixed and - as I mentioned in the other
>>>> thread - that is a (2022) (HP) *laptop*.
>>>
>>> Did the latest (or any previous) BIOS update mention fixing fTPM
>>> specifically? I ask because it is also possible that the problem is
>>> still there but that you haven't yet encountered it.
>>
>>    To be [f|F]rank, you could well be right. The 'Fixes'/'Revision
>> history' I have (the publicly available ones) do not specifically
>> mention fixing fTPM, only general comments such as "improved security"
>> and "improved system stability".
>>
>>    As I mentioned in the other thread, this was the only BIOS update
>> which was force installed and was released after the AMD fTPM problem
>> was fixed by AMD.
>>
>>    Bottom line: I think the problem was fixed in my laptop, but don't
>> have any actual proof.
> 
> Well, if in the future you are watching any kind of media and the sound 
> becomes extremely distorted for three seconds, as if the space-time 
> continuum has been broken, you will have faced fTPM stuttering.

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/PA-410.html

   "Flashable updates for motherboards will be based on AMD AGESA 1207 (or newer)"

You could try checking any BIOS release notes, as sometimes they list
the AGESA installed into the BIOS file for that release. Like, some BIOS
updates, have been just to change AGESA. Other times, there can be
multiple things changed, including the AGESA version.

When an AMD system starts, I believe a serial stream is sent from
the PCH to the CPU, and it "programs something", in the dynamic sense.
There's a RAM or something storing what was sent in the serial stream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGESA

   "AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture (AGESA) is a procedure library
    developed by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), used to perform the
    Platform Initialization (PI) on mainboards using their AMD64 architecture.
    As part of the BIOS of such mainboards, AGESA is responsible for the initialization
    of the CPU cores, chipset, main memory, and the HyperTransport controller."

Notice that fTPM is not mentioned. The fTPM could be implemented in the
Secure Enclave, and the Secure Enclave (it's like an ARM core, on an x86 CPU!)
could be programmed by AGESA.

The above AMD note mentions it is an SPI I/O issue (for NVRAM usage like
storing fTPM values). It's unlikely they could hide that altogether. And they
can't batch up the changes, or the changes could be lost on a power fail,
and the changes could affect something cryptographic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/sccict/amd_ftpm_causes_random_stuttering_issue/

     # Example of stutter while streaming

       https://youtu.be/TYnRL-x6DVI

*******

On Linux, it was a different issue. In the 6 kernel series,
the fTPM was "trusted" to do random number generation (cryptographic quality),
and I guess this caused the same sort of side effects. I already wrote
a little program maybe a year ago, and there is a 500MB/sec RNG on the
AMD CPU, outside of any fTPM implementation, but it may not be "whitened"
enough for cryptographic purposes. Normally, Linus is suspicious of
hardware RNG, and I think the AMD one may just be a metastability based
generator (it's not a whizzy one at least, not relying on some new
laboratory principle). Consequently, I "discount" the firehose generator,
as not really worth your time. And where would the fTPM code be
getting its random numbers ? At Best Buy ? Or, from that firehose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AwwAN0ysLQ

So far, I'm not detecting a sense that "a single BIOS update fixes this".
If that were the case, all the influencers would be selling BIOS updates.

Seeing as the last TPM I priced was $70 (when they started out at around
$25 each), not everyone will want to climb onto the physical TPM bandwagon.
Because it rewards scalpers and so on. It's really difficult to understand
what has happened to TPMs on the supply side. All I know is
"my computer store no longer stocks them". Why ? Fucked if I know.
But it does help raise the price. When those first came out for AM4,
they were like fricken "candy" at the computer store. They might have
had a pile of a hundred of them sitting there. You would think the stutter
issue, would have "brought them back into stock". But no.

Summary: Test via streaming I guess. Windows Media Player may have a streaming
         server in it. VLC may have a streaming server in it. See what you can
         cobble together.

   Paul

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#17911 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
[...]

> I'm glad to see I'm not alone. I have an Acer laptop with a Ryzen 7 that 
> has a silvery finish and white backlight that had me asking 'what were 
> they thinking?'. 

$DRIFT ON

  Thanks for that thought!
  
  I have a similar HP laptop (but with a 'lowly' Ryzen 5) and had never
thought about that "silvery finish and white backlight" issue.

  Backlighting was not an item on my must-have list and I hardly use(d)
it and when I used it, it was quite dark, so the silvery finish was
not a problem.

  But just now, in a lighted room, I switched the backlight on and was
lucky that I knew where the key is, otherwise I would not have been
able to find it to turn backlight back off! :-(

  As you said/wondered 'what were they thinking?'.

$DRIFT OFF

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#17920 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 24 Mar 2025 18:51:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:


>   Backlighting was not an item on my must-have list and I hardly use(d)
> it and when I used it, it was quite dark, so the silvery finish was not
> a problem.

I would never had known there was backlighting except it was on by default 
on the Acer. I'm trying to remember if I've ever used a computer in the 
dark or even dim lighting. 

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#17922 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Mon, 3/24/2025 8:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2025 18:51:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> 
>>   Backlighting was not an item on my must-have list and I hardly use(d)
>> it and when I used it, it was quite dark, so the silvery finish was not
>> a problem.
> 
> I would never had known there was backlighting except it was on by default 
> on the Acer. I'm trying to remember if I've ever used a computer in the 
> dark or even dim lighting. 
> 

It's better for photography, like if you are recording the screen.

When you have a Secure Boot problem, the two or three lines of status,
they don't stand still. And hitting the Pause/Break key does not work either.
You have to put your camera in video mode, and record the screen that way, and
then find the one frame with the text on it, and use that for a Google search
of what is wrong with your Secure Boot. Turning down the room lights for that,
helps.

*******

I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the colors
are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.

I just checked it, and the keys are actually double-shot and with a
transparent plastic. Too bad the light source underneath the key,
does not line up with the keycap :-)

   Paul

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#17928 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:

> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.

I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and 
I don't have a clue what the third one is. 

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#17930 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
>> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.
>
>I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and 
>I don't have a clue what the third one is. 


I just tried to see if it was Scroll Lock, and it borked something
with Agent, I had to figure out to disable the feature in Agent's
options so that I could use the arrow keys to edit a post again.  The
scroll lock would turn on again when I tried to turn it off.  And, to
the point about the Amazon Basics keyboard's third light, it doesn't
seem to light up for any reason I can determine.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17935 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Tue, 3/25/2025 3:10 AM, Joel wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
>>> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.
>>
>> I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and 
>> I don't have a clue what the third one is. 
> 
> 
> I just tried to see if it was Scroll Lock, and it borked something
> with Agent, I had to figure out to disable the feature in Agent's
> options so that I could use the arrow keys to edit a post again.  The
> scroll lock would turn on again when I tried to turn it off.  And, to
> the point about the Amazon Basics keyboard's third light, it doesn't
> seem to light up for any reason I can determine.
> 

You should watch the three LEDs during "lamp test" and see if they come on.

The BIOS does a couple of tests, like the lamp test on the keyboard,
plus it beeps the SPKR once to prove the SPKR is connected and operating.

   Paul

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#17931 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Tue, 3/25/2025 2:52 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
>> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.
> 
> I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and 
> I don't have a clue what the third one is. 
> 

Scroll Lock maybe, but I don't know what a Scroll Lock is :-)

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_Lock

      "Scroll Lock was intended to modify the behavior of the arrow keys."

The $25 keyboard is more weird, in that it has the three LEDs
the keyboards have for status, but it uses some sort of icons.
And I cannot correlate the icons with the named functions. None
of the icons indicate "Caps Lock" to me.

This keyboard has some additional "rubber buttons"

   Internet, Email, Search, Mute, Vol+, Vol-

And on WinXP, the rubber buttons didn't work. On later OSes,
the buttons work without needing a third party driver.
Pressing the Internet button causes the default browser
to open. I guess this is important. The "Mute" makes some sense.

   Paul

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#17956 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 03:18:58 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Scroll Lock maybe, but I don't know what a Scroll Lock is
> 
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_Lock
> 
>       "Scroll Lock was intended to modify the behavior of the arrow
>       keys."
> 
> The $25 keyboard is more weird, in that it has the three LEDs the
> keyboards have for status, but it uses some sort of icons. And I cannot
> correlate the icons with the named functions. None of the icons indicate
> "Caps Lock" to me.

The Home key has Scroll Lock in blue so I assume it is meant to be used 
for with the blue Fn key. It doesn't seem to do anything at all. 

The icons on my keyboard are locks. The only way I know the second one is 
Caps Lock is when I fat finger the key AND GO INTO ANGRY MODE. I really 
could live without that one, particularly next to A.

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#18374 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote at 07:18 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Tue, 3/25/2025 2:52 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
>>> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.
>> 
>> I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and 
>> I don't have a clue what the third one is. 
>> 
>
> Scroll Lock maybe, but I don't know what a Scroll Lock is :-)
>
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_Lock
>
>       "Scroll Lock was intended to modify the behavior of the arrow keys."
>
> The $25 keyboard is more weird, in that it has the three LEDs
> the keyboards have for status, but it uses some sort of icons.
> And I cannot correlate the icons with the named functions. None
> of the icons indicate "Caps Lock" to me.
>
> This keyboard has some additional "rubber buttons"
>
>    Internet, Email, Search, Mute, Vol+, Vol-
>
> And on WinXP, the rubber buttons didn't work. On later OSes,
> the buttons work without needing a third party driver.
> Pressing the Internet button causes the default browser
> to open. I guess this is important. The "Mute" makes some sense.
>
>    Paul


I think those work by having special keyscan codes that the OS looks out
for. On some Linux setups, you need to have a program specifically
running for them.
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#17940 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 2025-03-25 02:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 20:58:02 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> I have a $25 Chinese keyboard, and yeah, it has backlight, but the
>> colors are all wrong. That thing is pretty brutal, as keyboards go.
> 
> I've got an Amazon Basics. It has three lights -- caps lock, num lock, and
> I don't have a clue what the third one is.

Probably scroll lock.

-- 
God be with you,

CrudeSausage
John 14:6

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#17944 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2025 18:51:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> 
> >   Backlighting was not an item on my must-have list and I hardly use(d)
> > it and when I used it, it was quite dark, so the silvery finish was not
> > a problem.
> 
> I would never had known there was backlighting except it was on by default 
> on the Acer. I'm trying to remember if I've ever used a computer in the 
> dark or even dim lighting. 

  On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
failure at night.

  Funny titbit: When I tried to post my previous response, it failed
because I had apparently pressed the 'Airplane mode' key, which sits
next to the backlight key! Well, I couldn't see which blooming key I was
pressing, could I!?

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#17955 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 25 Mar 2025 15:35:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

>   On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
> or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
> plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
> failure at night.

I take a laptop on road trips where I may be staying in motels, but for 
car camping my tech ends with a Kindle. 

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#17964 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2025 15:35:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
> >   On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
> > or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
> > plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
> > failure at night.
> 
> I take a laptop on road trips where I may be staying in motels, but for 
> car camping my tech ends with a Kindle. 

  Our 'camping' trips - in Australia - are (now: were :-() mostly three
months at a time, hence the 'need' for a laptop (smartphone(s), tablet
laptop and indeed an eReader).

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#17983 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 27/03/2025 2:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On 25 Mar 2025 15:35:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>>>    On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
>>> or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
>>> plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
>>> failure at night.
>>
>> I take a laptop on road trips where I may be staying in motels, but for
>> car camping my tech ends with a Kindle.
> 
>    Our 'camping' trips - in Australia - are (now: were :-() mostly three
> months at a time, hence the 'need' for a laptop (smartphone(s), tablet
> laptop and indeed an eReader).
> 
"mostly three months at a time"?? Don't tell me, Frank, did you go 
*north* for the Winter?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70 (on the old 'Hume Highway' - just north of Melbourne)

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#17988 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> On 27/03/2025 2:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> >> On 25 Mar 2025 15:35:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>
> >>>    On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
> >>> or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
> >>> plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
> >>> failure at night.
> >>
> >> I take a laptop on road trips where I may be staying in motels, but for
> >> car camping my tech ends with a Kindle.
> > 
> >    Our 'camping' trips - in Australia - are (now: were :-() mostly three
> > months at a time, hence the 'need' for a laptop (smartphone(s), tablet
> > laptop and indeed an eReader).
> > 
> "mostly three months at a time"?? Don't tell me, Frank, did you go 
> *north* for the Winter?? ;-P

  We mostly visited Oz in your autumn, summer or spring. Our last trip
(in 2024) had to be in your winter, because close family joined us for
some time and they could only come in our-summer/your-winter. So we
mostly traveled in north-ish QLD (from Cairns north to Cooktown and then
south to Caboolture/Brisbane).

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#18008 — Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon

On 28/03/2025 2:52 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> On 27/03/2025 2:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On 25 Mar 2025 15:35:01 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     On our 'camping' trips (in a 4WD campervan), I might have used it once
>>>>> or twice. When I did not yet have the backlighting, I took a small
>>>>> plug-in USB light with us. And it might come in handy during a power
>>>>> failure at night.
>>>>
>>>> I take a laptop on road trips where I may be staying in motels, but for
>>>> car camping my tech ends with a Kindle.
>>>
>>>     Our 'camping' trips - in Australia - are (now: were :-() mostly three
>>> months at a time, hence the 'need' for a laptop (smartphone(s), tablet
>>> laptop and indeed an eReader).
>>>
>> "mostly three months at a time"?? Don't tell me, Frank, did you go
>> *north* for the Winter?? ;-P
> 
>    We mostly visited Oz in your autumn, summer or spring. Our last trip
> (in 2024) had to be in your winter, because close family joined us for
> some time and they could only come in our-summer/your-winter. So we
> mostly traveled in north-ish QLD (from Cairns north to Cooktown and then
> south to Caboolture/Brisbane).
> 
Ah!! O.K. ..... and here was I thinking you might have been another 
Aussie here-abouts!
-- 
Daniel70

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#17884

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 07:13:59 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Well, users seem to be happy with their Snapdragon-equipped machines
> regardless of what the press says. I'm getting the feeling that this is
> overblown, designed to make Microsoft look bad in Apple's favour.

If that were true, we should be seeing new models entering the market. 
Isn’t it getting on to about nine months since the last flurry of model 
introductions?

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