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On 2026-04-04 22:28, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to 
>>> alt.unix.geeks?)
>>>
>>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <71jusk9gmgrk5b9rccv1tq7h6ec0rs2ua9@4ax.com>,
>>>>> hayesstw@telkomsa.net says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public 
>>>>>>>> schools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in 
>>>>>>>> "The Silver
>>>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was 
>>>>>>>> ostensibly a
>>>>>>>> libertarian school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the 
>>>>>>> older ones.
>>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual 
>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was 
>>>>>> sexual
>>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely
>>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing,  or was 
>>>>> referring
>>>>> to that American activity.  He was probably talking about  the
>>>>> different British custom fagging
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>>>
>>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant
>>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation"
>>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were
>>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were
>>>> lower than shark shit.
>>>
>>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with
>>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for
>>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or
>>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume
>>> it's good because it can be less strong...
>>
>> When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The 
>> studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain.
>>
>> However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation 
>> for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very 
>> mild. At others it was much worse.
>>
> 
>      Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and
> group hazing build bonds between those who share misery.
>      More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which
> I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to
> te Greek Letter clubs.  In some of the USA's great universities like
> Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the
> members promise to support one another in their business and
> political lives.  A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has
> contributed several presidents and other high officials to the
> USA.  Not the worst either since Trump became president.
> If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War
> would hold the title.
> 
>      bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955

The "uni halls of residence" where I lived broke this simply by 
expelling 120 of 200 students the next year. Hard to keep traditions alive.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-02 05:33 +0200
  Re: School stories rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 19:33 +0000
    Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 07:16 +0200
      Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 10:45 +0100
      Re: School stories Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-04-03 18:00 +0100
        Re: School stories athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-04-03 18:58 +0000
          Re: School stories Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 15:59 -0400
            Re: School stories rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-04 00:35 +0000
          Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-04 13:26 +0100
          Re: School stories Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2026-04-04 18:56 +0100
            Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:19 -0700
        Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-04 03:22 +0200
          Re: School stories Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 23:46 -0400
            Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-05 05:27 +0200
          Re: School stories Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-04 08:52 +0100
            Re: School stories "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-04 13:50 +0200
              Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:28 -0700
                Re: School stories "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-04-05 04:07 +0200
                Re: School stories John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 07:45 -0700
                Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-07 05:44 +0200
                Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-06 21:01 -0700
            Re: School stories Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-04-04 14:24 +0000
              Re: School stories Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-04-04 13:32 -0700
              Re: School stories Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> - 2026-04-16 23:05 -0700
    Re: School stories The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-04-03 10:43 +0100
      Re: School stories liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-04-03 11:10 +0100
        Re: School stories Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-04-03 21:29 +1100
          Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-03 14:16 +0200
            Re: School stories Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-04-04 12:03 +1300
        Re: School stories snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2026-04-04 01:52 +0100
          Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-04 03:48 +0200
            Re: School stories Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2026-04-04 15:01 +1300
              Re: School stories nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-04-04 11:07 +0200
                Re: School stories Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-04-05 05:34 +0200
            Re: School stories richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-04-04 10:20 +0000

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