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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
| Subject | Start Of Civilization |
| Organization | wokiesux |
| Date | 2024-09-29 03:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bO-dnR59b6w4mWT7nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 4 groups.
Legend has that, about 8000+ thousand years ago in a little town called Eridu,now Kuwait, a 'god'-person named "Enki" (pronunciation varies) sailed in "from the east" who clearly explained the details of How To Do Civilization. This included useful agricultural tips, info on urban planning, basic legal/political systems - everything you needed to jump-start. "Enki" and later some others, all came dressed in weird 'fish-themed' clothing and supposedly hung around for a few centuries. There WERE other proto-civs, Sammara, a bit to the north, for example. However they were just 'settlements' - did not initially have what it took to be a 'civ'. This whole area of mesopotamia was a LOT greener that it is now. The ice-age was ending and that brought a lot of rain, even vast floods, to the area. Eridu became THE Template - what others copied. This led to the earliest big cities like Ur and Uruk just to the north. Who/what was "Enki" ? The flying-saucer nutters think he was an alien. However, the lands to the east - esp in the Indus Valley in what's now Pakistan - also had everything they needed to do modern civ. The civs there came and went - and the climate has ERASED a lot of them. I'm gonna posit that "Enki" was from the Indus valley, a charismatic traveler eager to Spread The Word. Those from the CLOSE east - the Elamites - were NOT civil. Long after they trashed everything, ruined Ur and Uruk. SO - I'm gonna say that 'civ' actually started in the Indus valley. Not HUGE civ, but at least sophisticated civ. Evangalists then took the ideas west. Tell me I'm wrong. There ARE signs that SOME kinds of civ existed in Mesopotamia and nearby at LEAST 12,000+ years ago. The excavations of Gobekli Tepe and relatively nearby identical sites takes the def of 'civ' back at LEAST that far. However it probably wasn't sophisticated civ, didn't have the vital nuts and bolts, the needed structure "Enki" taught.
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Start Of Civilization "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-09-29 03:41 -0400 Re: Start Of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 07:18 +0000
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