Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richmond Newsgroups: uk.telecom Subject: Re: Have BT been making unannounced changes? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2026 15:42:48 +0100 Organization: Frantic Message-ID: <82fr1wnpqv.fsf@example.com> References: <112arbi$3gli$1@dont-email.me> <112bn8j$d7sq$1@dont-email.me> <112diuj$11odt$3@dont-email.me> <112dlnk$10qmj$1@dont-email.me> <2iqm4ll5leenn3incffpg120febnmb986f@4ax.com> <82a4s4phs1.fsf@example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="113599"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dwKMIyRSrrWITw9UJaxdsfZnsEY= sha1:Tlo0eRwpwUb47N9aF+YsU+rJZLs= X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BLDRAeOYUO/xJ2R3X4hDnduNz6KJmj3X7LiJfx6pytmCMjAiiqYbl6Lct+DBUQGw== Xref: csiph.com uk.telecom:39645 Theo writes: > Nobody has shown any evidence of BT using their own protocols. How do you know that nobody has? > AFAICS How far can you see? What is in the realm beyond that which you can see? > they're using standards like SIP, PPPoE, VLANs, TR-069, maybe TR-104. Maybe, but they then conceal it and call it BT DV or whatever. Can you use any equipment with BT? or do you have to use their equipment? > > However increasingly ISPs consider the CPE to be part of their network - > they manage it, they provide security updates, they send you a new one if it > breaks. Given how poorly managed some third party routers are (lack of > security updates from the vendor, insecure settings, sometimes included > malware), there's an argument that this is the way of least harm to both > their network and their customers. I was really impressed by the way AAISP handles security updates to the router. What I thought might be a daunting task, and might leave me with a brick, actually happened without me even noticing. We may see much more need for security updates to routers with people pointing AI at them. (I snipped things to avoid clutter, not for any other reason).