Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: David Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop,uk.comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: So ...... is this real, or imagined? Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 21:20:52 +0000 Lines: 160 Message-ID: References: <67b241fc$4$1784$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <67b25101$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net J4gjETrvmnQU59sAbGl/awHr6xhDRkLtB4ENn+/V/ewQGErsw7 Cancel-Lock: sha1:JwKevLZWTCBJgsKSJ3v6xkue/yM= sha256:q09ANpTx2QOFcAgRHTDCgbSiy1mZRF6NOt23uUvGxTg= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <67b25101$0$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> Xref: csiph.com uk.comp.sys.mac:180236 On 16/02/2025 20:56, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Feb 16, 2025 at 1:49:40 PM MST, "David" wrote > : > >> On 16/02/2025 19:52, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 12:36:30 PM MST, "David" wrote >>> : >>> >>>> On 16/02/2025 19:19, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 11:59:37 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>> : >>>>> >>>>>> On 16/02/2025 18:22, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 11:17:11 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 18:00, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 10:17:56 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2025 15:33, Brock McNuggets wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2025 at 3:25:12 AM MST, "David" wrote >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a screenshot:- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've erased my hard drive, just in case! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Didn't that come from an email? And it was quarantined. Not sure what good >>>>>>>>>>> erasing the hard drive will do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regardless of where it came from, ClamXAV reported it as malware. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sure. From what I can tell, sitting harmlessly in an email until it was >>>>>>>>> quarantined. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The whole point of a Trojan is that they *DON'T* "sit harmlessly!"' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you ever run the app? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've no idea! >>>>> >>>>> Seems unlikely you did. >>>> >>>> I may well have opened an email attachment (SPAM) >>> >>> Just to be clear, not only opened the email but saved the attachment and then >>> opened it? If so the malware app should have found that copy. >> >> I confess that I do do that sometimes! > > Fair enough... but had you the malware app should have caught that you did. I STILL do not have a great deal of faith in ClamXAV. >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> someone was/is using an Apple computer WITHOUT such an anti-malware >>>>>>>>>> software running, they'd nver know that a Trojan had been installed on >>>>>>>>>> their computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What makes you think it was installed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's what Trojans *DO*! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They do not install themselves... just as in the lore for the Trojan Horse. >>>>>>> They use social engineering to get the user to install them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you SURE about this? >>>>> >>>>> Yes. Though other forms of malware might. >>>> >>>> Did you not read the McAffee link I sent you? >>> >>> I did. >> >> Good man! >> >>>>>>>>>> *Understanding Trojan Viruses and How to Get Rid of Them* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> //Basic online scenario—You log onto your computer and notice that >>>>>>>>>> something’s just not right, but you can’t quite put your finger on it. >>>>>>>>>> Something just seems…a bit off. If you’ve found yourself in this >>>>>>>>>> situation, or even thinking you are, there’s a real possibility you >>>>>>>>>> could have a Trojan virus on your computer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you have that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I have had! (Not now though, on my clean machine!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What was happening? >>>>>> >>>>>> Unexpected things occurring and sometime slow. >>>>> >>>>> What type unexpected things? >>>> >>>> Items disappearing? >>> >>> Weird. >> >> Indeed. I have noticed all manner of things over the years! >> >>>>>>>>>> Trojan viruses can not only steal your most personal information, they >>>>>>>>>> also put you at risk for identity theft and other serious cybercrimes. >>>>>>>>>> In this post, we’ll examine what Trojan viruses are, and where they come >>>>>>>>>> from. We’ll also cover how you can protect yourself and get rid of >>>>>>>>>> viruses so you can stay safe and maintain peace of mind online.// >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.mcafee.com/learn/understanding-trojan-viruses-and-how-to-get-rid-of-them/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NOTE >>>>>>>>>> **** >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Erasing one's hard drive SHOULD remove the Trojan! ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It will... as will the anti-malware software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You don't *USE* anti-malware software!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your image showed otherwise: >>>>>> >>>>>> YOU ARE CONFUSED AGAIN! >>>>>> >>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/HLgy7hNf/Screenshot-2025-02-11-at-10-07-47.png >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How am I confused? Your image shows running of an anti-malware app. >>>> >>>> You need to re-read your post. >>> >>> Oh, I see. You are correct *I* rarely use anti-malware software (though to say >>> I don't at all is not quite correct). But why change the topic to my system. I >>> am not concerned about mine. >> >> Even though you use Apple devices, you still need to exercise care if >> you use the Internet. > > True... but I do not engage in very risky behavior. I do use software outside > of the App Store but mostly well respected software. I do not use pirated > stuff. >> >>>>> Is your email stored on a server? >>>> >>>> Yes, of course. Why do you ask? >>> >>> With the malware being quarantined I suppose it is a nonissue. >> >> It is /not/ quarantined - it has been erased!!! 🙂 > > Your image says it was quarantined (which is not the same as erased). It WAS (supposedly) quarantined ..... BEFORE I erased my hard drive! *Keep up, dear boy*! ;-) (in fun!) -- David