Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Missing mass Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <578b8b52-0a21-4015-a3e1-a00eac667160@googlegroups.com> <106eccb0-a48a-4bdd-8fe1-c4965ba4090c@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1543253420 16085 192.74.137.71 (26 Nov 2018 17:30:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:30:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:714840 Odd Bodkin writes: >john wrote: >> Odd >> “The problem with not knowing anything, John, is that you’ll naturally >> assume a lot of things are unknown, which apparently gives you the sense” >> Unseen was the word I used. >> You haven’t addressed that or shown that you even know what I’m talking about. >> Normal, for you >> >Yes I did address it. The search for missing mass and the hypothesis of >dark matter is driven by an excess of gravitation compared to the observed >mass. >You propose that this mass is hidden inside planets like Jupiter and >Saturn. >The problem is, there is no excess of gravitation observed for those >planets. The mass we have for those planets is exactly what is needed for >accounting for the orbits of the satellites. >Now you say, put a lot of extra mass in those planets but make the >gravitational effect of that mass hidden. What for? Now you have missing >mass that can’t account for any excess gravitation because you say the >gravitation from that excess mass is hidden. >Your ignorance and lack of education is only exceeded by the silliness of >your brain farts. John actually has the problem BACKWARDS. The "missing mass" problem is that there seems to be MORE gravitational attraction for stars in a galaxy than can be explained by the observed mass. In other words, not enough mass to explain the rotation curves. John's LeSage gravity claims there is MORE mass in stars and planets such as Jupiter but gravitational shielding makes its gravity LESS than it should be. Jupiter's gravity is LESS than its mass should show. So John somehow thinks that gravity being DECREASED by gravitational shielding somehow explains there being TOO MUCH gravity to explain galactic rotation curves! WTF, John!