Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: The N orbital Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <1363bc90-6b93-4117-bc91-cf805f941bd8@googlegroups.com> <514c95ba-d063-460a-9078-5f9f6d4d2aee@googlegroups.com> <1dacd480-9303-4c02-be16-a29f88a57ccc@googlegroups.com> <2c16a177-536a-4f75-b811-846fdd13fb53@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1542122073 11936 192.74.137.71 (13 Nov 2018 15:14:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:14:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:712652 john writes: >The 1:2 orbit is a standing wave of synchronized rotations in two >orthogonal planes. As we know from gyroscopes, a spinning object resists >being being moved out of the plane of the spin. And that is exactly why your retarded precessing spinny things are such a failure. Conservation of angular momentum means that spinning things actually resist precession without an external torque, much less actually get all retarded and precess on their own like your OCD keeps screaming at you. Try the following experiment. Mount a bicycle securely so that its front wheel is off the ground and handlebars can be rotated. Get the front wheel spinning really, really good. Now (try to) turn the handlebars rapidly and tell us what happens. Or do this: Get an old computer hard drive. The larger rotating mass the better, get an ancient 5 1/2" drive if you can. Connect it to a computer power supply but without mounting it in a chassis. Hold it in your hands. While it is spinning, try to turn/rotate it. Just try to turn it as if you want to precess it at right angle to the angle of rotation. It's almost as if it fights back, or if someone is trying to wrest the drive out of your hands. > So an orbit like this >will resist being moved out of either plane, and all forces on it will >act to move it only along the intersection of the two planes. >So individual atoms will only be affected by gravity along this intersection. How the hell did you come up with something as stupid as that last sentence from the rest of what you wrote?