Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: All of chemistry atomic and molecular geometry is that of electric coil seeking Re: CO2 has two isomers, and plants only can use animal CO2 Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 02:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <441db611-ef82-4c9c-b481-3d5f27625167@googlegroups.com> <060c2560-5bf5-4ba0-b6dd-144451a1f7d6@googlegroups.com> <2bc6ed9b-2ca5-4ff1-b6ce-8a9ba8fbf222@googlegroups.com> <3454c0f7-3da0-435a-8da0-77acd3718a85@googlegroups.com> <55cfeb77-f77e-4d33-9803-d8a90d088988@googlegroups.com> <8673e3fd-8f5c-42d5-b5eb-60abc3523ef3@googlegroups.com> <9d02e743-c191-4892-9cab-abfe7a4f5fb7@googlegroups.com> <6871c741-c6b9-4212-8d77-127e214dda99@googlegroups.com> <7e5e04a5-5dbb-4f5c-a378-b5a78b1f100c@googlegroups.com> <6127a5d2-c20c-4a68-83f5-08779236000d@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1526524524 10191 192.74.137.71 (17 May 2018 02:35:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 02:35:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:685884 Archimedes Plutonium writes: >So now methane is C surrounded by 4 H atoms-- not to make 8 but to make 6 >in Lewis 6 structure. Remember, the four hydrogens of methane are identical, as long as none are deuterium or something, there is no way to tell one from another. Think of a perfect tetrahedron sitting on a table. If someone comes along and flips it so that a different corner is up, there is no way to tell that has happened. Keep that in mind while you struggle with that. This is what tripped up John Sefton who tried to create methane out of his beloved spinny things. Rotation has an axis which creates a preferred direction in the central carbon, dooming John's attempt. Have fun!