Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 04:04:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,sci.physics Subject: Re: do we have any electronic experts here with experience with tubes(valves)? References: <0hgfebdle3m95v0meo40f3pv7jdur5obce@4ax.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 05:04:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" Organization: AUKTard Polizia Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) Lines: 558 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-5YbvYfAvQBnib0bcW+woC/rhszRReMTgsZIiwQu855zsXdWDA1Qn+eo8QAr//p7kLX4jDQAkwGgQZBb!wPhvqpLjAvqIjj610LGW5IvJbRad+G+l08VudIpdpEaF++dYFCY9AhJSgRnc X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 16968 Xref: csiph.com alt.usenet.kooks:652745 sci.physics:562567 On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 04:31:49 -0400, Bite My Shiny Metal Ass = wrote: > "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., > Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 > Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" > wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 03:03:55 -0400, Bite My Shiny Metal Ass >> wrote: >> >> > "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., >> > Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 >> > Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" >> > wrote: >> > >> >> i have some questions that i'm having trouble finding satisfyingly= >> >> correct >> >> answers to since if you google something these days, you'll find 8= 00 >> >> pages >> >> written by internet "experts" that are plenty sure that the 10,000= = >> pages >> >> saying otherwise are a nazi-liberal co-plot while they pretend to = = >> have >> >> some sort of expertise. i think i've seen some of these goofs on = the >> >> usernets, come to think of it. ;) >> >> >> >> in short; googling stuff is like asking fakey for his "expert" = >> opinion, >> >> anymore. >> >> >> >> would running tubes at a voltage much lower than standard operatin= g >> >> temperature have any permanent negative effects? >> > >> > No. The tubes prolly won't work if the plate / whatever >> > voltage is too low, but tubes are nearly indestructible. >> > Unless you drop them. >> > >> >> what could potentially explain brand new tubes sounding great for = a = >> few >> >> hours and then audible distortion is heard after 24 hours? >> > >> > I don't remember very much about tubes, except why nobody >> > wants to use them anymore. >> >> why was that? convenience? cheapness? weren't audio engineers? > > Tubes are big, and they require high-voltage plate power > supplies, which are heavy, bulky & expensive. And filament > supplies, grid bias supplies, screen supplies etc, ditto. > They produce a lot of heat, so they are really inefficient. > Not very rugged, which is why cars didn't usually have > radios until transistors were invented. Since they are hot, > there are noise issues in some apps (probably not in audio). i'm using them for audio specifically. > There are a few special-purpose apps for tubes -- eg high > power (as in broadcast), and/or high frequency Traveling > Wave Tube microwave/mm wave amplifiers. Also magnetrons, > which are both oscillator/high power microwave source > (microwave oven) and klystron tubes. Special purpose tubes > are making a bit of a comeback. i bought a bunch. plus, there are at least 5 guitar amplifiers in my studio that require = tubes. i guess they're pretty much worthless for a reason. > >> > Maybe somebody sold you a bunch >> > of soviet-made tubes that have been sitting in a dank >> > warehouse for 30 years. >> >> GE JAN5654W >> >> i have ten to test. > > No idea. mil-spec. > >> > The main thing that goes wrong with tubes is that air leaks >> > into them, causing them to go "soft" in their old age. >> > Possibly the heat of operation is damaging the glass seal >> > and letting air in. >> >> the cheap chinese 6J1 ones made yesterday by some child had the same >> results but worse. >> >> > Observe the tube in operation in a dark room. If it has a >> > faint reddish glow, then it's gone soft. >> >> ITYM *blue* glow which signifies that the tube is "gassy" AKA not a = >> vacuum >> anymore. > > Ok, blue. yep blue. don't have a "tube tester" on hand, but i do have a variac, a digital = multimeter, a variable power supply, and a o-scope. just thought i'd ask... i got the feeling for some reason that there wer= e = people here who had vast knowledge of electronics. > >> there's absolutely no glow at all since the tubes are being operated = at >> about 15% of their typical operating voltage. hence my question abou= t = >> low >> power operation - both the cathodes AND the filaments are not at the >> tube's SPECs. > > It's surprising they can even function at 15% of nominal > voltage. If that's how the equipment was designed to > operate, ok. Otherwise, that could be your problem. it's how the tube buffer circuit was designed, AFAICT. > >> it's a buffer circuit and not designed for gain, BTW. >> >> > Replace >> > immediately with a new soviet-made tube, and you're fine for >> > 24 more hours. >> >> no, i think i'll see if anybody actually knows what they are talking = = >> about >> in regard to tubes/valves/circuits/gables first. > > I've never heard them called valves. that was for the blokes "across the pond" driving their "lorries" and = watching "are you being served" and whatnot. > Good luck. luckily i don't need that. i need information. i suppose i will have t= o = commence with a thorough analysis of the circuit i bought and the tubes = = themselves. i figured that someone had one apart at some point and = knocked out the buggers. honestly, i was seeing if anybody could put a finger on the gradual = distortion buildup. >> > I'm surprised His Nips hasn't told you this already. >> >> i am as well. seems he has all the answers but only when nobody asks= . = >> LOL fuck and then i ask a question and he's nowhere to be found. prob'ly wi= th = the kids again matching the tubes in his lotus, FFS. -- = "sines, sines, everywhere there's sines blocking up the snickerTurds, breaking his mind" http://imgur.com/a/yMFsu - FNVWe attempts to rewrite physics texts in Message-ID: = <3dcad3dd0a0d39727506717506883c26@dizum.com> ">>let's not forget that mine also had the correct applied mathematics >> equations unlike fakey the supposed know-it-all: >> phase A: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) >> phase B: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) >> voltage difference between phase A and phase B at any point x in tim= e: >> 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) - 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) =3D 240*sin(2*pi*60*x) Wrong, as has already been proven. What does it say below, you fecking = *moron*? "The _sum_ E(=C3=8E=C2=B8) =C3=A2=E2=80=B0=C2=A1 E(a) + E(b) can be writ= ten thusly:"" it says that you don't even know how to correctly apply mathematics to = real-world AC electricity, snickerTurds. http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-10/sin= gle-phase-power-systems/ http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02170.png "To mathematically calculate voltage between =E2=80=9Chot=E2=80=9D wires= , we must subtract = voltages, because their polarity marks show them to be opposed to each = other:" http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/12112.png http://www.samlexamerica.com/support/documents/WhitePaper-120240VACSingl= eSplitPhaseandMultiWireBranchCircuits.pdf on page 2: ** NOTE: The phase of Hot Leg 2 (Phase B) is in the opposite direction - i.e., 180=C2=B0 apart from the phase of Hot Leg L1 (Phase A) *COUGH* SPNAK!! - i know a guy on the internet who will draw a triangular sine wave in ASC= II = art if you ask nicely. see: Message-ID: <4ba4a50aaaebc7fb8a348293c5cf9f13@dizum.com> - snickerTurds can't seem to refute the following: - begin snickerSinewaveStew.cpp -- /* HOW TO RUN: download arbitrary precision libraries from: http://www.hvks.com/Numerical/arbitrary_precision.html place those files in a directory and save this file as = snickerSinewaveStew.cpp inside that same directory. compiles with: gcc -Wall -I. precisioncore.cpp snickerSinewaveStew.cpp -lstdc++ run with: ./a.out enjoy the LULZ ;) */ #include #include using namespace std; int main(){ //float_precision MIN=3Dfloat_precision(0); //float_precision MAX=3Dfloat_precision(0); float_precision STEP=3Dfloat_precision(.0001); float_precision t=3Dfloat_precision(0); // time variable float_precision sum=3Dfloat_precision(0); // sum of SnickerTurd's = ridiculous sinewave mess float_precision snickerPrediction=3Dfloat_precision(2550.25); // = snickerTurd's erroneous k0oK-k'lame Sum float_precision PI; PI =3D_float_table(_PI,25); // this while loop will run forever, but snickers doesn't understand = why while(sum < snickerPrediction){ // fakey's Sinewave Stew(TM) see: MID: = sum =3D (float_precision(150) * float_precision( = sin(float_precision(120)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(20.25) * float_precision( = sin(float_precision(33)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(1400)* float_precision( = sin(float_precision(150)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) +(float_precision(20= )* = float_precision(sin(float_precision(5013)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(600)*float_precision(sin(float_precision(13)*float_prec= ision(2)*PI*t))) = + = (float_precision(360)*float_precision(sin(float_precision(1209)*float_pr= ecision(2)*PI*t))); // perhaps show a few values larger than +2300 to educate teh = snickerTurds if(sum>float_precision(2300)){ cout << "t=3D" << t << " sum=3D" << sum << std::endl; } t =3D t+STEP; } /* Message-ID: "Oh, yeah... it's 2550.25 volts... so why does your graph not even reach 2500 volts, given that eventually all the sinewaves will constructively interfere (ie: *add* to each other) to *sum* to 2550.25 volts?" Fakey, it doesn't reach 2500 volts because the summation of your sinewav= es = never reaches that. They never reach their max values at the same time.= = That's how stupid you are. Message-ID: <731d08dcc702b9a8a13077ffc201e91f@dizum.com> "I most certainly *did* prove otherwise. It can't even arrive at the correct sinewave summation voltage of 2550.25 volts" Fakey, you only *proved* that you are too inept to graph the equations a= nd = notice a few things about the interactions of their frequencies when = summed. the next line of code is never executed, but snickers DEFINITELY can't = figure out why it isn't and instead has a bunch of lame excuses while = still having not produced a value for t where the sum=3D2550.25, as he h= as = k0okily proklamed in many usenet messages. */ cout << "snickerTurds was right! the sum is " << sum << " at time t=3D= " << = t < - Somewhere Abouts Round Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:25:03 -0500, Friendly = Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote: Fag. LOL Idiot. 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Simultaneously it = presents opponents (in spoken debates) or refuters (in written, = Internet-based ones) as incompetent bumblers who didn't do their homewor= k = before the debate. Such emphasis on style over substance is the reason = many scientists disdain public debates as a forum for disseminating = opinions. - Page #1 from the Gospel of SnickerTurd - Coming soon! To a newsgroup near you!: $ perl fakeyBot.pl FakeyBot> I'm FakeyBot. What's your name so I can Google-stalk you= , = look you up on Radaris, and hurl invective and probably-illegal harrassi= ng = bile from behind an anonymous dizum account? You> Robert Michael Wolfe FakeyBot> Oh look, you're back again to polish my size 16 steel-to= ed = boot with your colon and listen to me talk about bestiality and cocks, = Robert. Robert> you talk about cocks a lot. FakeyBot> Oh, I talk about sex a lot? Robert> gay sex, mostly... FakeyBot> Fag! (just as useful as the original!) - snickers the wonderturd describes how he alerted lots of his kiddie pr0n= = friends to the ensuing FBI sting in message = : "That's easy enough to do... how do you think my crew uncovered the largest CP ring using Tor and I2P, which we promptly turned over to the FBI? I discovered a way to uncover the IP addresses the I2P users we= re = using, and a way of tracking Eepsites back to their IP addresses, then w= e = figured out that we could DDOS a Tor IP address and modify Tor headers = while checking whether a Tor hidden service was still up, then using = process of elimination to pinpoint the IP address hosting that hidden = service. It's not rocket science. _The I2P community got all up in arms when I discussed on their forum ho= w = I was doing it, and that it'd be a good way of cleaning up I2P so it can= = get on with being a platform to research anonymous communication... my = distinct impression was that the "anonymity research platform" story was just a cover story to allow pervs to trade CP._ (NOTE: admits to participating in what he "suspected" was a = = kiddie pr0n network.) That Silk Road 2.0 was taken offline in the ensuing FBI Operation Onymous was just icing on the cake." - Golden Killfile, June 2005 KOTM, November 2006 Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007 Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006 Busted Urinal Award, April 2007 Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008 Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007 AUK Mascot, September 2007 =