Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.glorb.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 00:45:48 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,sci.physics Subject: Re: Before There Was Global Warming There Was Meteorology References: <323719d8a0ffc7eeeb81d09b5da2b252@dizum.com> <2d8448f4623e0263f0e44013bc3ceaec@dizum.com> <701530e3d8d7b26ac83691cc38b68b21@dizum.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:45:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" Organization: AUKTard Polizia Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) Lines: 527 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-fBKN9gug3YtSDUAJchdXGjs3XayYVnn/Wjr5r1W3uutMZLvqI5gfVBtxdvF6dQdFLwqm5qxkHwvp55u!sqBnWX9uLCPvCEtmRQrZuDzO9ZtjmpoMsIERx8b16jgCSvi4ulxLc9hVVGAE X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 18107 X-Received-Bytes: 18221 X-Received-Body-CRC: 772316916 Xref: csiph.com alt.usenet.kooks:652030 sci.physics:561428 jumping jack flash is a gas gas gas On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:34:56 -0500, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler = = Emeritus wrote: > Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. > > James McGinn, in > did > thusly jump head first into the wood chipper again: > >> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 9:56:19 AM UTC-8, >> Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote: > >>> Therefore that 22.414 liters molar volume would weigh: >>> 18.02 grams for water in its gaseous phase >>> 28.57 g for dry air > >> Ideal gas laws are applicable to ideal gases, dumbass. > > They are also applicable to gases when their margin of error are > within 10%, as both water vapor and air are. > > Air contains: > 78.08% nitrogen > 20.95% oxygen > 0.93% argon > 0.038% carbon dioxide > All the above are relatively small, light, non-polar molecules, > characteristics mimicking an ideal gas. > > Atmospheric air contains typically less than 3% of water in its > gaseous phase, thus this skews the Ideal Gas Law by a very small > amount. Which is why I also calculated the water vapor partial > pressure for you, Jim. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Another method of debunking your retarded drivel is via the speed of > sound in dry air and air laden with water in its gaseous phase. > > The Ideal Gas Model predicts that the speed of sound in a pure gas > will be: > v_sound =3D SQRT((y * P)/p) > > Where: > y =3D specific heat ratio or adiabatic exponent > P =3D absolute pressure of gas > p =3D density of gas > > Using the Ideal Gas Law, PV =3D nRT (with 'n' constant, ie: the number= > of gas molecules is constant), the equation above can be rewritten as:= > > v_sound =3D SQRT((y * k_b * T)/M) > > Where: > T =3D temperature (K) > M =3D mass of one gass molecule > k_b =3D Boltzmann's constant (converts absolute temperature units to > energy units) > > Thus, for typical air at room conditions, the average molecule is > moving at about 500 m/s. Since the Law of Conservation of Energy > states that no energy is lost due to these molecular collisions, the > collisions do not slow down the speed of sound, they simply randomize > the motion resultant from that sound pressure wave... hence sound > waves propagate spherically from their source until they hit an > obstruction. > > For air, which is a mixture of molecules, one must use average values > for the adiabatic constant and molecular mass. Air is mostly N2 and > O2, which are both simple diatomic molecules with almost the same > masses. The adiabatic constant will be very close to 1.4 for both > molecules for a wide range of temperatures near room temperature. > > Hence the adiabatic constant will also be close to 1.4 for bulk air. > The average molecular mass will depend on the air composition which > changes slightly, for example due to day to day variations in relative= > humidity. For 100% relative humidity under normal room conditions, > about 2% of the molecules of air are water molecules. Since the mass > of a water molecule is almost half that of an oxygen or nitrogen > molecule, the larger the humidity the lower the density of the air for= > the same pressure and temperature. At or near room temperature the > fraction of air which is water is small, and so the effect will not be= > large. > > The temperature dependence and the change in density due to changes in= > composition, the latter almost entirely due to changes in humidity, > are by far the two largest causes for variations in the speed of sound= > in air. Note, however, that humidity is normally expressed as a > percentage of the maximum concentration for the air. That maximum may > change with conditions. What matters for the speed of sound is the > fraction of the air molecules which are water (i.e. the "molar > fraction"). The molar fraction corresponding to 100% humidity will > depend on temperature and pressure. Hence there may be an apparent > dependence on pressure when the water content is expressed as a > percent relative humidity rather than a molar fraction. For example, > if you take 20 C air at 1 atm and 100% humidity and remove half of the= > molecules, you end up with air at 0.5 atm and about 50% relative > humidity, not 100% humidity. Hence to look at the changes due only to > changes in pressure, and not molecular composition, you would need to > compare air at 1 atm and 100% humidity with air at 0.5 atm and 50% > humidity. > > > > As one can easily see, the speed of sound increases with increasing > humidity of air... hence the *only* way that can happen is if air > laden with water in its gaseous phase is less dense than dry air, > given the same temperature and pressure for each. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> They are not applicable to liquids that are suspended in air. > > Then it's a good thing the gaseous phase water in the atmosphere isn't= > liquid phase, eh? > >> It's really that simple, dumbass. > > You just love proving yourself to be a moron, don't you? > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Pure water vapor at 1 atm and 373 K has Pr=3D1/217=3D0.0046, so the id= eal > gas law applies to within 10% error. > > The ideal gas law is derived from a model (the ideal gas), and like > every other model it applies where it's underling assumptions are good= > approximations to reality. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The Ideal Gas Law is applied to the air *and* the gaseous phase water > vapor, because it comes within 10% error, one of the criteria for > using the Ideal Gas Law, you fecking nong. > > SPNAK! > -- = "sines, sines, everywhere there's sines blocking up the snickerTurds, breaking his mind" http://imgur.com/a/yMFsu - FNVWe attempts to rewrite physics texts in Message-ID: = <3dcad3dd0a0d39727506717506883c26@dizum.com> ">>let's not forget that mine also had the correct applied mathematics >> equations unlike fakey the supposed know-it-all: >> phase A: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) >> phase B: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) >> voltage difference between phase A and phase B at any point x in tim= e: >> 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) - 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) =3D 240*sin(2*pi*60*x) Wrong, as has already been proven. What does it say below, you fecking = *moron*? "The _sum_ E(=C3=8E=C2=B8) =C3=A2=E2=80=B0=C2=A1 E(a) + E(b) can be writ= ten thusly:"" it says that you don't even know how to correctly apply mathematics to = real-world AC electricity, snickerTurds. http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-10/sin= gle-phase-power-systems/ http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02170.png "To mathematically calculate voltage between =E2=80=9Chot=E2=80=9D wires= , we must subtract = voltages, because their polarity marks show them to be opposed to each = other:" http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/12112.png http://www.samlexamerica.com/support/documents/WhitePaper-120240VACSingl= eSplitPhaseandMultiWireBranchCircuits.pdf on page 2: ** NOTE: The phase of Hot Leg 2 (Phase B) is in the opposite direction - i.e., 180=C2=B0 apart from the phase of Hot Leg L1 (Phase A) *COUGH* SPNAK!! - i know a guy on the internet who will draw a triangular sine wave in ASC= II = art if you ask nicely. see: Message-ID: <4ba4a50aaaebc7fb8a348293c5cf9f13@dizum.com> - snickerTurds can't seem to refute the following: - begin snickerSinewaveStew.cpp -- /* HOW TO RUN: download arbitrary precision libraries from: http://www.hvks.com/Numerical/arbitrary_precision.html place those files in a directory and save this file as = snickerSinewaveStew.cpp inside that same directory. compiles with: gcc -Wall -I. precisioncore.cpp snickerSinewaveStew.cpp -lstdc++ run with: ./a.out enjoy the LULZ ;) */ #include #include using namespace std; int main(){ //float_precision MIN=3Dfloat_precision(0); //float_precision MAX=3Dfloat_precision(0); float_precision STEP=3Dfloat_precision(.0001); float_precision t=3Dfloat_precision(0); // time variable float_precision sum=3Dfloat_precision(0); // sum of SnickerTurd's = ridiculous sinewave mess float_precision snickerPrediction=3Dfloat_precision(2550.25); // = snickerTurd's erroneous k0oK-k'lame Sum float_precision PI; PI =3D_float_table(_PI,25); // this while loop will run forever, but snickers doesn't understand = why while(sum < snickerPrediction){ // fakey's Sinewave Stew(TM) see: MID: = sum =3D (float_precision(150) * float_precision( = sin(float_precision(120)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(20.25) * float_precision( = sin(float_precision(33)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(1400)* float_precision( = sin(float_precision(150)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) +(float_precision(20= )* = float_precision(sin(float_precision(5013)*float_precision(2)*PI*t))) + = (float_precision(600)*float_precision(sin(float_precision(13)*float_prec= ision(2)*PI*t))) = + = (float_precision(360)*float_precision(sin(float_precision(1209)*float_pr= ecision(2)*PI*t))); // perhaps show a few values larger than +2300 to educate teh = snickerTurds if(sum>float_precision(2300)){ cout << "t=3D" << t << " sum=3D" << sum << std::endl; } t =3D t+STEP; } /* Message-ID: "Oh, yeah... it's 2550.25 volts... so why does your graph not even reach 2500 volts, given that eventually all the sinewaves will constructively interfere (ie: *add* to each other) to *sum* to 2550.25 volts?" Fakey, it doesn't reach 2500 volts because the summation of your sinewav= es = never reaches that. They never reach their max values at the same time.= = That's how stupid you are. Message-ID: <731d08dcc702b9a8a13077ffc201e91f@dizum.com> "I most certainly *did* prove otherwise. It can't even arrive at the correct sinewave summation voltage of 2550.25 volts" Fakey, you only *proved* that you are too inept to graph the equations a= nd = notice a few things about the interactions of their frequencies when = summed. the next line of code is never executed, but snickers DEFINITELY can't = figure out why it isn't and instead has a bunch of lame excuses while = still having not produced a value for t where the sum=3D2550.25, as he h= as = k0okily proklamed in many usenet messages. */ cout << "snickerTurds was right! the sum is " << sum << " at time t=3D= " << = t < - Somewhere Abouts Round Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:25:03 -0500, Friendly = Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote: Fag. LOL Idiot. 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LOL is where my usenet lord and mas-ter can go straight to hell* *hell doesn't exist. hope everybody is having a productive evening. - http://i.imgur.com/2tH6zVB.jpg http://cafepress.com/kooktown http://i.imgur.com/pnWqhSG.jpg - If my poasts are offensive to you, you can always block all From: header= s = containing "root@127.0.0.1", unless you are an idiot who would like to = yammer about "morphing" and maybe try to lodge some frivolous complaints= = to my news provider, then please be sure to ignore this helpful = information and have fun making an ass of yourself in public. :) if that route of silencing those horrid opinions of mine that you = downloaded to your computer under duress doesn't work you can always try= : = http://i.imgur.com/jlsN9JX.png?2 - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop The Gish Gallop is often used as an indirect argument from authority =E2= =80=94 as = it appears to paint the galloper as an expert in a broad range of subjec= ts = or with an extensive knowledge of an individual one. Simultaneously it = presents opponents (in spoken debates) or refuters (in written, = Internet-based ones) as incompetent bumblers who didn't do their homewor= k = before the debate. Such emphasis on style over substance is the reason = many scientists disdain public debates as a forum for disseminating = opinions. - Page #1 from the Gospel of SnickerTurd - Coming soon! To a newsgroup near you!: $ perl fakeyBot.pl FakeyBot> I'm FakeyBot. What's your name so I can Google-stalk you= , = look you up on Radaris, and hurl invective and probably-illegal harrassi= ng = bile from behind an anonymous dizum account? You> Robert Michael Wolfe FakeyBot> Oh look, you're back again to polish my size 16 steel-to= ed = boot with your colon and listen to me talk about bestiality and cocks, = Robert. Robert> you talk about cocks a lot. FakeyBot> Oh, I talk about sex a lot? Robert> gay sex, mostly... FakeyBot> Fag! (just as useful as the original!) - snickers the wonderturd describes how he alerted lots of his kiddie pr0n= = friends to the ensuing FBI sting in message = : "That's easy enough to do... how do you think my crew uncovered the largest CP ring using Tor and I2P, which we promptly turned over to the FBI? I discovered a way to uncover the IP addresses the I2P users we= re = using, and a way of tracking Eepsites back to their IP addresses, then w= e = figured out that we could DDOS a Tor IP address and modify Tor headers = while checking whether a Tor hidden service was still up, then using = process of elimination to pinpoint the IP address hosting that hidden = service. It's not rocket science. _The I2P community got all up in arms when I discussed on their forum ho= w = I was doing it, and that it'd be a good way of cleaning up I2P so it can= = get on with being a platform to research anonymous communication... my = distinct impression was that the "anonymity research platform" story was just a cover story to allow pervs to trade CP._ (NOTE: admits to participating in what he "suspected" was a = = kiddie pr0n network.) That Silk Road 2.0 was taken offline in the ensuing FBI Operation Onymous was just icing on the cake." - Golden Killfile, June 2005 KOTM, November 2006 Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007 Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006 Busted Urinal Award, April 2007 Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008 Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007 AUK Mascot, September 2007 =