Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:22:32 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers,alt.usenet.kooks,sci.physics Subject: Re: 3 phase teaser References: <742b266e0bcb4bab464c938fb51bee7d@dizum.com> <7996b4d9fc903ae75a3623c5e835b29d@dizum.com> <0abefbb028d1f0a38f5981cfe04e53bb@dizum.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:22:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable From: "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" Organization: AUKTard Polizia Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/1.0 (Win32) Lines: 446 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-FrGaycyR9OP2Nr+mBfGBlmkoNzwDwfnF3y/EJFKwypK2PR0i+ERJxZSOZqh8a12ICBZfnCMuLbn0XK/!B/vdpuguXLbGmg9n3xveGeq0mcMoyJMBkR9WvwV51QoPe79fOsjN7K91wrCI X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 14085 X-Received-Bytes: 14199 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1999420235 Xref: csiph.com alt.free.newsservers:46880 alt.usenet.kooks:630847 sci.physics:555054 On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:37:28 -0500, Bite My Shiny Metal Ass = wrote: > Fakey wrote: > >> Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. >> >> Robert Michael Wolfe the Pittsburgh Pied Piper Of Penis (aka >> DildoRider) of 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop Jockey)= , >> socked up as sucksroot@127.0.0.1, in >> did thusly jump head first >> into the wood chipper again: >> >> > On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:27:15 -0500, Bite My Shiny Metal Ass >> > wrote: >> >> >> Robert Michael Wolfe the Pittsburgh Pied Piper Of Penis (aka >> >> DildoRider) of 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop = >> Jockey), >> >> socked up as sucksroot@127.0.0.1 wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 01:20:45 -0500, Friendly Neighborhood Vote = >> Wrangler >> >>> Emeritus wrote: >> >> >>>> Time to spin the kooks up again. Melt, kooks, melt. >> >>>> >> >>>> Robert Michael Wolfe the Pittsburgh Pied Piper Of Penis (aka >> >>>> DildoRider) of 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop = >> Jockey), >> >>>> socked up as sucksroot@127.0.0.1, in >> >>>> did thusly jump head = >> first >> >>>> into the wood chipper again: >> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> okay, so now please go "sum" any two of the 3 phases of standar= d >> >>>>> 3-phase power and tell me how many volts potential it is at any= = >> instant, >> >>>>> k0oky. then "sum" all three. show us the sums. >> >> >>>> "at any instant" LOL >> >>>> >> >>>> You mean the time-varying instantaneous voltage, which varies on= = >> each >> >>>> hot leg? Moron. LOL >> >>>> >> >>>> V(L1-N) =3D sin(2*pi*f*t)*Vp >> >>>> V(L2-N) =3D sin((2*pi*f*t+((4/3)*pi)*Vp >> >>>> V(L3-N) =3D sin((2*pi*f*t+((2/3)*pi)*Vp >> >> >>> hey, those equations look very familiar. you just left out the >> >>> definitions of f=3D60 and Vp=3D120 >> >> >> Assuming Vp means peak voltage, if this is a 120 volt >> >> system, Vp would be 120*sqrt(2), about 170 volts. >> >> 120 volts is the RMS voltage, or effective voltage. >> >> > good point. >> > >> > i eagerly anticipate fakey's answer to what the following *sums* to= = >> with >> > his euler summation: >> > >> > V((L1+L2)-N) =3D sin(2*pi*f*t)*Vp + sin((2*pi*f*t+(4/3)*pi))*Vp >> > >> > OR let f=3D60 and Vp=3D170: >> > >> > sin(2*pi*60*t)*170 + sin((2*pi*60*t+(4/3)*pi))*170 > > I would have written it as Va-Vb instead of Va+Vb, so would have i. fakey insists that summation is how you determine a = potential difference. don't ask me why... it's just his *thing*. > > sin(2*pi*60*t)*170 - sin((2*pi*60*t-(4/3)*pi))*170 > > but whatever, sine is an odd function, so if you flip the > phase difference, it comes out the same. That is, > > sin(x) =3D -sin(-x) > > It's still the voltage difference between two > 120=C2=B0-out-of-phase sinusoids. actually, it sums to exactly y=3D0 from negative infinity to positive = infinity. > >> >> That doesn't graph to anything, you nong, until you specify t, then i= t >> gives a result of 150.283974501 for all values of t, but still won't >> graph. Obviously you've fucked something up. > > t is time, the independent variable. If you insist on > calling it x, whatever. > > >> 170(sin(x*pi*60+(0*(pi/180))) >> 170(sin(x*pi*60+(120*(pi/180))) >> 170(sin(x*pi*60+(240*(pi/180))) > > This would be correct, for a 30 hz power source. > > correct. 2pi =3D 360deg is a good way to remember it. > >> Thus: >> Sum(sinX;sinY;sinZ) =3D >> \frac{\left(\left(170\left(\sin \left(x\cdot \pi \cdot 60+\left(0\cdo= t >> \frac{\pi }{180}\right)\right)\right)+170\left(\cos \left(x\cdot \pi >> \cdot 60+\left(0\cdot \frac{\pi >> }{180}\right)\right)\right)\right)\right)}{\left(2\right)}+\frac{\lef= t(\left(170\left(\sin >> \left(x\cdot \pi \cdot 60+\left(240\cdot \frac{\pi >> }{180}\right)\right)\right)+170\left(\cos \left(x\cdot \pi \cdot >> 60+\left(240\cdot \frac{\pi >> }{180}\right)\right)\right)\right)\right)}{\left(2\right)}+\frac{\lef= t(\left(170\left(\sin >> \left(x\cdot \pi \cdot 60+\left(0\cdot \frac{\pi >> }{180}\right)\right)\right)+170\left(\cos \left(x\cdot \pi \cdot >> 60+\left(0\cdot \frac{\pi >> }{180}\right)\right)\right)\right)\right)}{\left(2\right)} > > Whatever. >> >> And that sums to 208.207 volts peak voltage. Which is exactly right. = A > > Exactly wrong. > >> 120/208 3-phase 4-wire Wye electrical supply (the most common >> commercial building electric service in North America) has 120 volt >> RMS L-N hot legs, and 208 volt L-L voltage. > > If the L-N is 120v RMS, then the L-L voltage is 120v*sqrt(3) > or 207.8v RMS. Not 207.8v peak. > > The peak voltage would be 120*sqrt(3)*sqrt(2) =3D 293.9v peak. > Did you plot it right? > >> >> >> >> SPNAK! on the mathematical moron. LOL >> >> > i get: >> > >> > http://i.imgur.com/gfm2vfV.png >> >> Wrong. LOL >> >> > fakey has not only proclaimed that this is the method for calculati= ng = >> the >> > voltage that a load would see across those two conductors but that = it >> > *must* be zero volts. >> >> Moron. LOL >> >> > his furry-euler summations CAN'T be wrong, he sez. >> >> That's not the Euler sinewave summation equation you're using, you > > WTF is a "Euler sinewave summation equation" ? it's how to avoid correctly graphing anything or explaining one's self = adequately. > > >> You'll note I got it right, whereas you didn't. Haw haw haw! > > If you got something that shows a 208v peak voltage > difference L-L, you didn't get it right at all. LOL -- = "sines, sines, everywhere there's sines blocking up the snickerTurds, breaking his mind" http://imgur.com/a/yMFsu - FNVWe attempts to rewrite physics texts in Message-ID: = <3dcad3dd0a0d39727506717506883c26@dizum.com> ">>let's not forget that mine also had the correct applied mathematics >> equations unlike fakey the supposed know-it-all: >> phase A: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) >> phase B: 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) >> voltage difference between phase A and phase B at any point x in tim= e: >> 120*sin(2*pi*60*x) - 120*sin(2*pi*60*x+pi) =3D 240*sin(2*pi*60*x) Wrong, as has already been proven. What does it say below, you fecking = *moron*? "The _sum_ E(=C3=8E=C2=B8) =C3=A2=E2=80=B0=C2=A1 E(a) + E(b) can be writ= ten thusly:"" it says that you don't even know how to correctly apply mathematics to = real-world AC electricity, snickerTurds. http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-10/sin= gle-phase-power-systems/ http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02170.png "To mathematically calculate voltage between =E2=80=9Chot=E2=80=9D wires= , we must subtract = voltages, because their polarity marks show them to be opposed to each = other:" http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/12112.png http://www.samlexamerica.com/support/documents/WhitePaper-120240VACSingl= eSplitPhaseandMultiWireBranchCircuits.pdf on page 2: ** NOTE: The phase of Hot Leg 2 (Phase B) is in the opposite direction - i.e., 180=C2=B0 apart from the phase of Hot Leg L1 (Phase A) *COUGH* SPNAK!! - i know a guy on the internet who will draw a triangular sine wave in ASC= II = art if you ask nicely. see: Message-ID: <4ba4a50aaaebc7fb8a348293c5cf9f13@dizum.com> - Fakey irrationally demands a theme song to foam to: "all I really want your pathetic pwned ass to do is write me a classic = rock song as tribute to your Usenet Lord and Master..." = - On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 17:25:03 -0500, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler = = Emeritus wrote: Fag. LOL Idiot. LOL Moron. LOL Tranny. LOL Libtard. LOL Crackhead. LOL GableTard. LOL DildoRider. LOL Bad Musician. LOL Stick Figure. LOL Terrible Liar. LOL Sinewave Spammer. LOL Outerfilthing Stalker. LOL Talentless FrothMonkey. LOL Math Challenged Halfwit. LOL Klimate Katastrophe Kook. LOL Defeated Tearful Spankard. LOL Waster Of Time To Save $10. LOL Worst Maker Of Sinewaves In The History Of Usenet. LOL on top of old snick-ers, all covered with Fag. LOL is where my usenet lord and mas-ter can go straight to hell* *hell doesn't exist. hope everybody is having a productive evening. - http://i.imgur.com/2tH6zVB.jpg http://cafepress.com/kooktown http://i.imgur.com/pnWqhSG.jpg - If my poasts are offensive to you, you can always block all From: header= s = containing "root@127.0.0.1", unless you are an idiot who would like to = yammer about "morphing" and maybe try to lodge some frivolous complaints= = to my news provider, then please be sure to ignore this helpful = information and have fun making an ass of yourself in public. :) - if that route of silencing those horrid opinions of mine that you = downloaded to your computer under duress doesn't work you can always try= : = http://i.imgur.com/jlsN9JX.png?2 - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop The Gish Gallop is often used as an indirect argument from authority =E2= =80=94 as = it appears to paint the galloper as an expert in a broad range of subjec= ts = or with an extensive knowledge of an individual one. Simultaneously it = presents opponents (in spoken debates) or refuters (in written, = Internet-based ones) as incompetent bumblers who didn't do their homewor= k = before the debate. Such emphasis on style over substance is the reason = many scientists disdain public debates as a forum for disseminating = opinions. - Page #1 from the Gospel of SnickerTurd - Coming soon! To a newsgroup near you!: $ perl fakeyBot.pl FakeyBot> I'm FakeyBot. What's your name so I can Google-stalk you= , = look you up on Radaris, and hurl invective and probably-illegal harrassi= ng = bile from behind an anonymous dizum account? You> Robert Michael Wolfe FakeyBot> Oh look, you're back again to polish my size 16 steel-to= ed = boot with your colon and listen to me talk about bestiality and cocks, = Robert. Robert> you talk about cocks a lot. FakeyBot> Oh, I talk about sex a lot? Robert> gay sex, mostly... FakeyBot> Fag! (just as useful as the original!) - snickers the wonderturd describes how he alerted lots of his kiddie pr0n= = friends to the ensuing FBI sting in message = : "That's easy enough to do... how do you think my crew uncovered the largest CP ring using Tor and I2P, which we promptly turned over to the FBI? I discovered a way to uncover the IP addresses the I2P users we= re = using, and a way of tracking Eepsites back to their IP addresses, then w= e = figured out that we could DDOS a Tor IP address and modify Tor headers = while checking whether a Tor hidden service was still up, then using = process of elimination to pinpoint the IP address hosting that hidden = service. It's not rocket science. _The I2P community got all up in arms when I discussed on their forum ho= w = I was doing it, and that it'd be a good way of cleaning up I2P so it can= = get on with being a platform to research anonymous communication... my = distinct impression was that the "anonymity research platform" story was just a cover story to allow pervs to trade CP._ (NOTE: admits to participating in what he "suspected" was a = = kiddie pr0n network.) That Silk Road 2.0 was taken offline in the ensuing FBI Operation Onymous was just icing on the cake." - Golden Killfile, June 2005 KOTM, November 2006 Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006 Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007 Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006 Busted Urinal Award, April 2007 Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006 Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008 Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007 AUK Mascot, September 2007 =