Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!maths.tcd.ie!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: CH4 for Odd Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 01:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3b68107f-4ff6-4add-80f2-3fd31033f196@googlegroups.com> <0bfdbd13-7e03-45ff-8294-49e3193ba747@googlegroups.com> <906094bb-c23f-4bfd-ae15-067449316f09@googlegroups.com> <959ba429-768f-4246-8704-2d9187897786@googlegroups.com> <53e3e4df-6a79-4500-b8c3-35af09452301@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1495245597 32632 192.74.137.71 (20 May 2017 01:59:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 01:59:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:633870 john writes: >JM >Odd >"On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 10:18:15 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 5/19/17 12:04 PM, john wrote: >> > Without cause or rationale? >> > YOU are the one not using those and supplanting >> > them with scientific "rules" that make a mockery >> > of the science that you espouse. >> > You seek not to elucidate, but to obscure >> > Shame on you >> >> Scientific rules come from observation. >> >> Here's how a scientist works, John. >> >> 1. First, be careful not to make any assumptions. >This is why engineers shouldn't pretend to be scientist. For a real >scientist the first step is, MAKE ASSUMPTIONS! No, John, that's 100% completely incorrect. The first step for a scientist is to make observations. Then the scientists can make a hypothesis about what is going on. But it is only a hypothesis. It may or may not be correct. He cannot make any assumptions. The scientist may then try to devise tests or experiments to help support or refute the hypothesis. That is how science works. Since you appear to be an artist type, you don't think the way scientists do. I don't know why you hang around here. An artist type here is kind of like an atheist constantly attending a church and then asking why they keep talking about some dude who was executed 2000 years ago, and then asking why everyone gets mad at him when he tries to discuss Abraham Lincoln instead.