Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.us.feeder.erje.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: 2electronorbital.GIF Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 16:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <36582d01-f1ca-4430-bfb7-2c9829475baf@googlegroups.com> <17ddbdb9-7e1f-43b1-83c9-5898b484c6ac@googlegroups.com> <840bf207-fca1-4bc2-9f0f-0de537f1a0d8@googlegroups.com> <58991d62$0$10736$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com> <70343ec5-5388-4272-a6f5-0b8e7d9bfe8b@googlegroups.com> <4cbc1a77-92ce-4aa4-b393-4f3df6fe6a58@googlegroups.com> <3b97577f-1552-4976-91be-3846ea0a10a6@googlegroups.com> <01adfbf4-14d8-451d-bdd8-603543f623ca@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1486572598 5893 192.74.137.71 (8 Feb 2017 16:49:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 16:49:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:617574 john writes: >MM >" >Retarded precessing spinny things. >That's your model? >" >My model shows that the third Carbon >electron in Benzene simply No, it does not. It just shows how some colored dots go round and round when part of a bunch of retarded spinny things. You have never come up with a true model. A true model will describe using physics and math what happens and why it happens according to the model. A true model will make testable predictions that will distinguish the model from other models currently in use. And of course, it can't conflict with what's already been measured. "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." -- Richard P. Feynman Also, the model comes first. Diagrams/animations/etc come later to help explain the model, but you can't just come up with an animated gif and say "Hey, that's benzene!" just because it has a remote similarity to the structure of benzene (spinny things arranged in a hexagon for example). >Electrons don't "spread out" among three or more atoms. And your proof of this is? Do you understand the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? Do you understand that it means we can't know exactly where something like an electron is? That we have to settle with "It's close to here" ? And when you invoke orbital theory, we can produce probability charts that state things like "It's likely to be here" "It's unlikely to be there" "it's pretty much impossible to be over there" ? These orbitals are "spread out" over a volume of space. In many cases the volume will involve multiple atoms. Hey, in a metal, the conduction band electrons involve the entire chunk of metal! That's why metals are conductors. Put that in your pot pipe and smoke it! > They are discrete entities. Show me a part of an electron! So now you believe that electrons are fundamental particles? Good. >That's what you are believing. >That's retarded. >Stop believing that. At least I don't have OCD that sees retarded precessing spinny things everywhere.