Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Serg Io Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Thermodynamicists Are More Insane Than Einsteinians Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 19:17:53 -0600 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <6e3fa2e5-4bb2-47bb-b526-194a18b7e99b@googlegroups.com> <30a26d98-7272-4c2f-91aa-928dda052764@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: puEB2Rn3yZiiGxZDNaCrbA.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:617480 On 2/6/2017 5:40 PM, Double-A wrote: > On Monday, February 6, 2017 at 2:36:42 PM UTC-8, Pentcho Valev > wrote: >> Entropy is not a state function. This means that any statement >> http://mutuslab.cs.uwindsor.ca/schurko/introphyschem/lectures/240_l10.pdf >> "Carnot Cycles: S is a State Function. Any reversible cycle can be >> thought of as a collection of Carnot cycles - this approximation >> becomes exact as cycles become infinitesimal. Entropy change around >> an individual cycle is zero. Sum of entropy changes over all cycles >> is zero." > >> Conclusion: The belief that the entropy is a state function is >> totally unjustified. The part of thermodynamics based on the >> entropy concept is not even wrong. >> >> http://www.eoht.info/page/Neumann-Shannon+anecdote "...Shannon was >> wavering on whether or not to call his new logarithmic statistical >> formulation of data in signal transmission by the name of >> 'information' or 'uncertainty', to which question Neumann suggested >> that Shannon use neither names, but rather use the name 'entropy' >> of thermodynamics, because: (a) the statistical mechanics version >> of the entropy equations have the same mathematical isomorphism and >> (b) nobody really knows what entropy really is so he will have the >> advantage in winning any arguments that might erupt." >> >> Pentcho Valev > > > I just found my old Thermodynamics textbook. I shouldn't study it? > > Double-A > I think the books are OK. But all those loose Thermodynamicsts running around without their hats on... , he is saying they are nutzoid.