Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Benzene ring- nothing has to magically "delocalize" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <64c78a42-fd20-4aa6-a805-ce78dad4209d@googlegroups.com> <33e3fc23-6fe8-489a-8952-77deae422008@googlegroups.com> <89c4ad48-e7ee-4817-81c4-082d907b79e8@googlegroups.com> <6494b4a2-a342-4f76-baf3-321ec45f9ee0@googlegroups.com> <139319ac-5bfb-4e2f-9e01-d89dc80f8e7b@googlegroups.com> <223a5288-2331-490c-867b-e9522633c307@googlegroups.com> <930021c9-f906-4b91-9fec-965cdb66a290@googlegroups.com> <5b36f9e4-7594-42a5-bd89-9073470ce3aa@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1439306008 13583 192.74.137.71 (11 Aug 2015 15:13:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:13:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:512706 john writes: >Michael >Everything is standing waves. >But everything is particles, too. Nope. QM states things have properties of both waves and particles, not that they are both waves and particles. >How does that work? QM is too complicated to explain in a Usenet post. Go read a book. >particles. The electron is one such >STANDING WAVE (just as you say). Nope. The orbital with an electron in it is a standing wave. >The electron is a COMPOSITE >standing wave (thanks for agreeing that >the electron is a composite- Paul >would never slip like that) Don't put words in my mouth. Especially totally crap words like that. Electrons are predicted to be fundamental, with no structure. Every attempt to measure its size shows it to be smaller than the resolution of the test, consistent with the predicted zero size. Same with structure, attempts to look for structure find none whatsoever. [snip gobs and gobs of word salad] >OMG, Michael- I feel SO STUCK!!!! Realizing that you have a problem is the first step in resolving the problem.