Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: The Supreme Court got it wrong. Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 09:30:03 -0700 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 0gvL8qAtKal0a8SC5tRrXwdsZqkl8aHEJRogbblVXxWJ76R58H Cancel-Lock: sha1:cxJxnxYSdjwIJacu4HvcYFlYcXk= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:454552 sci.physics:689669 alt.checkmate:172616 talk.politics.guns:1092154 On 6/9/18 9:07 AM, vallor wrote: > On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:21:59 -0700, Snit wrote: > >> On 6/8/18 12:17 AM, vallor wrote: >> ... >>>> Where do rights come from? >>> >>> Duuuuh, let's ignore common knowledge. >>> >>> In Congress, July 4, 1776. >>> The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, >>> When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people >>> to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, >>> and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal >>> station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a >>> decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should >>> declare the causes which impel them to the separation. >>> >>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created >>> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable >>> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of >>> Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted >>> among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, >>> --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these >>> ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to >>> institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and >>> organizing its powers in such form, >>> as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. >> >> A "creator"... a place holder for SOME deity or nature or mystic forces >> or whatever... and we just assume these rights exist outside of what we >> know. >> >> But different cultures at different times see these rights in different >> ways. > > That's got to be one of the vaguest fizzles I've ever read. Then you get the point... what is a right is not clear. Sure, there are certain things which we take for granted -- they are so ingrained in us. And that is good. But there is no "universal" view on this, and no deity which has set up rights, nor a universe which has put any such rights into place. They are man made. > I accept your concession of defeat, you may now bask in the glory that is > the Declaration of Independence. They are self-evidence in that we have almost universal agreement on many. There is no creator to have given us anything, unless you mean nature itself, and nature cares not one whit about rights. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.