Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Date: 8 Jun 2018 06:41:39 GMT Lines: 73 Message-ID: References: <0h4chd9jogp3kolqs0je8h3rrosudeft0j@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net mBHLToXTY2ZSHMHFj2/05gm8JAKem7TJXWnGsIFR6HRok6B+rf Cancel-Lock: sha1:DsQIfB/KLBRY14v2j0zs9fWFilI= sha1:RvubRgD47FolyTFZB2KukiaOMjE= User-Agent: NewsTap/5.3.1 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:454373 sci.physics:689437 alt.checkmate:172316 talk.politics.guns:1091808 max headroom wrote: > In news:fntup0Fp19uU4@mid.individual.net, > Snit typed: > >> On 6/7/18 3:09 PM, max headroom wrote: >>> In news:fnot2cFbpqgU37@mid.individual.net, >>> Snit typed: >>>> On 6/5/18 6:34 PM, !Jones wrote: >>>>> x-no-idiots: yes >>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:55:36 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Also gave you a link from Politifact. > >>>>>> The NRA should lose its non-profit status. > >>> Because you don't like it. > >>>>>> >>>>>> OR https://goo.gl/EYqxxo > >>>>>> They do bypass laws to not have the donations be direct -- but the >>>>>> impact is the same. > >>>>> Yeah, OK... look, I think that we actually agree in principle. The >>>>> NRA represents a very wealthy and powerful industry and *controls* >>>>> vast resources. The holy grail of this debate would be to document >>>>> exactly who is receiving NRA related resources and how much; if the >>>>> NRA proper gave a monitary contribution to a candidate, it would be >>>>> an open record... as above. > >>>>> In that, the average donation is $5,263 and that's pretty much >>>>> chump change... I mean, yeah, I'd like it, but you don't *own* a >>>>> senator like the NRA owns 'em for $5K a pop. (I'll take a dozen, >>>>> please.) Also, did you see the disclaimer at the bottom? E.g.: >>>>> "The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money >>>>> came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or >>>>> employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families." > >>>> I saw this and referenced it with the bypassing of the laws. > >>>>> Me pint bein' that the NRA, itself, cannot legally write a check >>>>> to a candidate. If they do, then they should lose their tax-exempt >>>>> status. > >>>> They SHOULD lose it. They are clearly VERY politically active. > >>>>> But, yeah... lots of money flows; I think we agree on that and that >>>>> it's likely much more than $834K. > >>>> Fair enough. > >>> Check your source for this year. NRA-ILA has spent $177,679 so far, >>> which is 'way less than Everytown for Gun Safety's $832,037, or >>> Planned Parenthood's $1,063,911. > >> What gun laws does Planned Parenthood try to push? > > Planned Parenthood has killed more Americans than all the guns ever made. > > But I include it since you've mentioned it several times. > > > Oh. That old silly off topic twist. Oy. Can we find common ground on the abortion issue that we should back policies which have been shown to reduce abortions while still maintaining rights? I back that with abortion policy and arms policy.