Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:22:26 -0700 Lines: 75 Message-ID: References: <4LMPC.193817$nq5.73490@fx36.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net BrwI6hB0NMHP988fs6InzAlTbbZ2MdfJ6OLfoCov0SHiaWeFsx Cancel-Lock: sha1:agMNVHYvQWivHQmUuQWSTaA4pWQ= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:453913 sci.physics:688727 alt.checkmate:171139 talk.politics.guns:1090696 On 6/4/18 12:57 PM, Just Wondering wrote: > On 6/4/2018 12:53 AM, Snit wrote: >> On 6/3/18 8:23 PM, Just Wondering wrote: >> >>> You should have no trouble supporting your claims. >> ... >>> 2.  You claim that we, as a country, let the NRA largely >>>      control our gun laws. >> >> This one is pretty easy. Here: >> >> >> OR >> ----- >> The NRA ran an aggressive international lobbying effort to try to get >> all references to firearms dropped. The World Forum on Shooting >> Activities, an international coalition of gun manufacturers and >> gun-rights activists founded by the NRA in 1997, also spoke against >> the treaty. When that did not work, the group began lobbying >> congressional leaders, urging them not to ratify the measure. >> Ultimately, the treaty was signed by the Obama administration but >> never ratified by Congress. > > Translation:  Congress, not the NRA, controls U.S. participation in > international firearms treaties. No translation is needed, and your doing so is merely twisting what you are reading. This is a demonstration of you understanding you have no honest rebuttal. It is emotional for you. Fair enough. >> ... >> The NRA's obsession with fighting gun control might be ideological. Or >> it might have something to do with protecting the global market of gun >> buyers. After all, the group represents many of the world's top >> weapons  > manufacturers. Protecting the right to bear arms also >> protects their right to sell to anyone, anywhere. > > True or false, none of that is evidence that the NRA > controls gun laws.  And much of it is false, or at least > is unsupported.  For example, the NRA does not represent > weapons manufacturers.  That the views of NRA's members > mesh with the views of firearms makers does not make the > NRA the latter's representatives.  That would be the > National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF). They are closely tied and it is a FACT that the NRA has massive control of our gun laws, as I showed. Again, not sure what the value of your denial is other than an emotional one. I am speaking of evidence. >> A lot more at that link. Well worth reading in full. Then there is this: >> > > An anti-gun op-ed piece is not evidence. > You claim that lobbying Congress = control of U.S. gun laws. > I do not accept that as a true statement. Your failure to accept evidence is not really of value. What you challenged me to do was back my views. I did. I gave strong support and you have nothing but empty denial as a response. Fair enough. I held up my burden of proof. That was what was asked of me and I did so. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.