Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: sci.physics,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.checkmate,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 20:36:49 -0700 Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <4LMPC.193817$nq5.73490@fx36.iad> <6do2hd5r2qhecatrtqfo403pju3prjdrg5@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net LmFAAZxHxo3FWMDavdYvHgkQqC8EoFWFwBAyfre4hXSuwyTdH1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:JNPUAOwijDXHmCPYBKhHQGR3EsM= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:688218 comp.os.linux.advocacy:453186 alt.checkmate:170246 talk.politics.guns:1089896 On 6/1/18 8:15 PM, Scout wrote: >>> >> You have been shown, and have no counter, for the fact that "bear >> arms" is used only in specific contexts... that do NOT include self >> defense. >> >> The second amendment specifically mentions the militia and NO other >> context. > > > BULLSHIT. > > It mentions 2 rights of the people which are not in any manner dependent > upon the militia. It mentions the militia, NOT the people, and it uses the phrase "bear arms" which you want to twist the meaning of to try to "prove" some point. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/antonin-scalia-was-wrong-about-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/2018/05/21/9243ac66-5d11-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html ----- A search of Brigham Young University’s new online Corpus of Founding Era American English, with more than 95,000 texts and 138 million words, yields 281 instances of the phrase “bear arms.” BYU’s Corpus of Early Modern English, with 40,000 texts and close to 1.3 billion words, shows 1,572 instances of the phrase. Subtracting about 350 duplicate matches, that leaves about 1,500 separate occurrences of “bear arms” in the 17th and 18th centuries, and only a handful don’t refer to war, soldiering or organized, armed action. These databases confirm that the natural meaning of “bear arms” in the framers’ day was military. But we shouldn’t need big data to tell us this. “Bear arms” has never worked comfortably with the language of personal self-defense, hunting or target practice. ----- Why do you want to alter the use of that phrase? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.