Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Snit Newsgroups: sci.physics,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.checkmate,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Slaughtering concert goers. Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 07:40:42 -0700 Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <4LMPC.193817$nq5.73490@fx36.iad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net +yTOgLnm3qmfgJ+9uNqbhQxExPx3rxJlApjz9OZ12i/7y3TtGN Cancel-Lock: sha1:4p3sAM3jnMBUviE9PX95An+HYmY= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:688099 comp.os.linux.advocacy:453024 alt.checkmate:170046 talk.politics.guns:1089734 On 6/1/18 6:08 AM, !Jones wrote: > x-no-idiots: yes > > On Thu, 31 May 2018 21:26:01 -0700, in talk.politics.guns Snit > wrote: > >> On 5/31/18 5:51 PM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>> On Thu, 31 May 2018 19:49:42 -0500, !Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, the "well regulated militia" was well detailed in article >>>> six of our Document [sic] of Confederation and ratified in 1781. Article >>>> six is very clear about it and has never been repealed. >>> >>> Holy SHIT you're stupid. >>> >>> Of COURSE it's been "repealed," you ignorant fuck. >>> >> But the second amendment has not... and only in 2008, through the Heller >> case, was the meaning of it changed. > > Klaus is saying that the Document of Confederation was repealed? It > simply was not. Many times it's just too much trouble to repeal an > existing law if it's not hurting anything. The Constitution of 1787 > augmented the Articles and superceded some of them; however, there is > no language repealing the articles. E.g.: the constitution gives the > fed the power to tax and the articles did not. > > The debate went to "a well regulated militia" versus a standing army. > Nobody ever even mentioned weapons as personal property; that was seen > as a local matter. When the 1787 document uses the term "a well > regulated militia", it is referring to article six of the > confederation document for a more precise definition. > > Jones > > -- > Quod si non verum est, non dicere est. > Interesting history on it. Thank you. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.