Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Trevor Wilson Newsgroups: sci.physics,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 10:55:01 +1000 Lines: 283 Message-ID: References: <7n0hfdhuu2loauffdppim28s9tefkhkukk@4ax.com> <59ikfdpddkgi84n93f49cubugk8dag5jkp@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 3m7syP9LrmEfK9PQnUgDnw1K+mCqsSgqCL8kSZs/waA4guo7Ra Cancel-Lock: sha1:GNB33EEI8WiMFGbIJ4eQzjHWvfo= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180517-0, 17/05/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:686059 talk.politics.guns:1086528 On 18/05/2018 10:09 AM, Scout wrote: > > > "Sergio" wrote in message > news:pdkugh$1gbj$1@gioia.aioe.org... >> On 5/17/2018 4:23 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>> On 17/05/2018 4:59 PM, Scout wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message >>>> news:fm3jl6F9f9aU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>> On 16/05/2018 11:58 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message >>>>>> news:fm18loFo1suU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:58 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>> On 5/15/2018 2:47 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in >>>>>>>>> message news:flvcveFb1hcU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 4:08 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> message news:flvak3Fai9hU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 2:50 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 13:50:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 12:46 PM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 May 2018 11:45:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:17 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:flrob5FhajbU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/05/2018 4:28 AM, Wally W. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 May 2018 04:20:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 3:53 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/2018 12:18 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 2:56 PM, Libor Striz wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio Wrote in message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> levels, a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eruptions that are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running for their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still nobody takes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 has caused >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [.....] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US has its anti climate change  trolls as Russia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has its political >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **With one, major, difference. The Russians are very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clever. The US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls,....not so much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> russian trolls get payed, not much, but you can buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US trolls are NSA and CIA and FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **You work for the NSA, CIA or FBI? I call bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere, the logic train went off the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Nope. Segio is a troll. Sergio claimed that trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worked for NSA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA or FBI. I call bullshit on that. Sergio is a moron. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those organisations employ morons like Sergio. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poutnik said something about "anti climate change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trolls," possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implying that alarmist climate-FUD trolls are okay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Sergio generalized about US trolls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Sergio is a US troll. The link has been made. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you jumped to reaction of some kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't usual for an alarmist's logic train to go off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the track. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **Since Sergio is a troll and he claimed that US trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by NSA, CIA or FBI, it is reasonable to assume that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is employed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by one of these organisations. I call bullshit, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sergio is stupid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call bullshit on your unsupported and unproven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumption..... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **As is your right to do so. Sergio made the insane claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I merely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carried it to its logical conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Potential* problem, or "the single biggest threat to life, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prosperity on Earth?" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **It is a problem right now, for various places and peoples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, along with various critters and flora. In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promises to be a MUCH bigger problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ... come the [next] tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **What "next" tipping point would that be? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus is that the 'tipping point' will occur >>>>>>>>>>>> at approximately 500ppm of CO2 concentration. We presently at >>>>>>>>>>>> a little over 410ppm. That said, a minority of climatologists >>>>>>>>>>>> believe we have already passed the tipping point. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? I remember when it was 350...and then later 400.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Cite where you saw such a thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I'm not here to try and solve your ignorance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Until we can watch that tipping point come and go without >>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> (like all the others before it), there are bigger fish to fry. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **Well, if the predictions about the tipping point are >>>>>>>>>>>> correct, there won't be any fish left to fry. So to speak. >>>>>>>>>>>> What "bigger fish" are you referring to? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, if that's the tipping point there is NOTHING man can do >>>>>>>>>>> to stop it or prevent it. our sum total amounts to a fraction >>>>>>>>>>> of one percent of that released from natural processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Approximately 440 X 10^9 Tonnes of CO2 is produced by natural >>>>>>>>>> processes. Humans are responsible for another 40 X 10^9 Tonnes. >>>>>>>>>> That's around 9%. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> CO2 makes around 0.039% of the atmosphere >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's 9% of 0.039%? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, 0.00351% of all Green House Gases are from man's release of >>>>>>>>> CO2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yep, I can certainly see where man is in control of Earth's >>>>>>>>> climate......  N O T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, now I have corrected your misconception, what do you have to >>>>>>>>>> say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're still ignorant, but maybe you just learned something? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And again, you are WAY out of your depth in this discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yea. 0.00351% is certainly out of my depth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your knowledge of AGW theory is severely and chronically lacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now you want to talk THEORIES....well I can make guesses >>>>>>>>> as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How about, the Earth has been subject to regular cycles of global >>>>>>>>> warming and cooling. An Ice Age is denoted as an extended period >>>>>>>>> of extensive global cooling. An interglacial period is an period >>>>>>>>> between Ice Ages denoted by an extended period of extensive >>>>>>>>> global warming. These have occurred multiple times before man was >>>>>>>>> even an actor on the stage and operate via natural processes >>>>>>>>> neither caused by man nor involving man. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My theory is that in an interglacial period we can expect to >>>>>>>>> see........wait for it.....GLOBAL WARMING which is a normal and >>>>>>>>> natural process of the global climate of the planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How's that for a THEORY for you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which, of course, begs the question: Why are you so certain >>>>>>>>>> there is no problem, if you are so ignorant of the facts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would ask you the same question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute, Scout. One can't tax normal and natural processes! >>>>>>>> So that means that Trevor must call you ignorant and stupid! OK? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **That you failed to spot Scout's basic mistake in his calculations >>>>>>> is not surprising. You are, after all, a stupid, yappy lap-dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter. It's still an all but insignificant >>>>>> percentage. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> **Ah, here we finally arrive at the real problem. You appear to think >>>>> that, just because CO2 represents a minute fraction of the >>>>> atmospheric gases, that it's effect is similarly minute. That is a >>>>> really, REALLY dumb mistake. >>>> >>>> Compared to the sum total of the naturally occurring green house gas >>>> emissions, it is a minuscule portion of the total. >>> >>> **Wrong. Humans are responsible for around 9% of all CO2 emissions. 9% >>> is significant. >> >> got URL ?   or it is BULLSHIT >> >>> >>>> >>>> But somehow that all but insignificant result is somehow enough to >>>> drive the climate for the entire planet. >>> >>> **Well, yes, it is. The real question is this: >>> >>> What secret scientific knowledge do _I_ possess, that we might accept >>> my uninformed opinion about the role of CO2 in shaping this planet's >>> climate? >> >> answer your question yourself, fat monkey. > > Yea, particularly the part where he can assert with total confidence > that such an amount of CO2 can drive climate change. **_I_ don't assert that. Every climatologist on the planet does. What special knowledge do you possess, that you can dispute what the climatologists tell us? > > He did say he's not an expert.....so how can he make such an assertion > that such an amount will do so? **The science tells us that it does. I suggest you study the science. > > Oh, that's right, he feels he can make any claims he likes, but everyone > else has to back up their claims. **Wrong. I provided all the cites you requested. You provide none. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au