Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Trevor Wilson Newsgroups: sci.physics,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Climate Change causing eruptions in Hawaii Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 07:36:07 +1000 Lines: 144 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net yaM4v1dqY3GcjSWAq4p8jgZzhM9PKT2OpEixVnPQTG6ugGixx2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:gxLjkdKUglyE4Us/YTaIvwkqmec= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180515-2, 15/05/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:685844 talk.politics.guns:1086329 On 16/05/2018 11:16 AM, Sergio wrote: > On 5/15/2018 5:01 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 16/05/2018 12:06 AM, Sergio wrote: >>> On 5/15/2018 1:45 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 15/05/2018 4:02 PM, Scout wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Trevor Wilson" wrote in message >>>>> news:flvalmFai9hU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 15/05/2018 11:08 AM, Scout wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Sergio" wrote in message >>>>>>> news:pd89ne$a21$1@gioia.aioe.org... >>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 8:23 PM, benj wrote: >>>>>>>>> With Hawaii half underwater from rising sea levels, a new threat >>>>>>>>> has now >>>>>>>>> emerged with Global Warming creating volcanic eruptions that are >>>>>>>>> engulfing the Big Island and have residents running for their >>>>>>>>> lives! >>>>>>>>> Whole neighborhoods have been eaten alive but still nobody takes >>>>>>>>> climate >>>>>>>>> change seriously! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/326542/climate-change-in-hawaii >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> that pesky 0.1 C temperature rise from 1920 to 2018 has caused this >>>> for >>>>>>>> sure.  all those people cooking with wood fires in Africa, cement >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> gassing when it cures, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AND >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hawaii dumps billions of gallons of waste hot lava into the pacific, >>>>>>>> polluting the oceans, and killing poor baby fish and delicate ocean >>>>>>>> clams. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This also heats the water up, causing "Water Vapor" AND Glowball >>>>>>>> Worming. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The State of Hawaii needs to stop this *illegal dumping*, and >>>>>>>> recycle >>>>>>>> the material into useful items, >>>>>>>> like hand crafted tourist items, >>>>>>>> filling up empty coconut husks, >>>>>>>> selling bags of lava on eBay, >>>>>>>> making more Lava Soap for those of us that work on old cars. >>>>>>>> (Hawaiian >>>>>>>> pos "island car") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm surprised the State hasn't gotten an court to issue an injunction >>>>>>> against the volcano to cease and desist in it's illegal dumping and >>>>>>> wide spread destruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> **Now, to drag it back onto topic: >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do you think global warming is occurring? >>>>> >>>>> Standard, normal and typical during an interglacial period....such as >>>>> the one we are in. >>>> **OK, so you agree that the planet is warming. WHY do you think the >>>> planet is warming? >>>> >>>> Hint: It's not magic. There is a reason for the temperature rise and you >>>> need to tell me what you think it is. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Do you think it is a potential problem? >>>>> >>>>> No more so than all the cases of global warming the Earth has already >>>>> gone through. >>>> **You don't see a problem with a 7 Metre rise in sea levels (when the >>>> Greenland ice sheets melt)? You don't see a problem with dead coral >>>> reefs? The resultant loss of valuable fish stocks? Etc? >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If so, why? >>>>>> If not, why not? >>>>> >>>>> Since it's almost certainly utterly beyond our control I don't see >>>>> where >>>>> this is a problem we can do anything but deal with. >>>> **Well, since humans have caused the warming though excessive CO2 >>>> emissions, we can deal with it, by cutting CO2 emissions. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Though frankly, I like global warming. >>>>> >>>>> It's by far preferable to the coming alternative. >>>> **You might think so, but you might be bothered when 100 million >>>> Bangladeshis start trying to find a new place to live. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you think a fraction of a degree increase is an issue, what happens >>>>> when the temperature drops 10-20C or more? >>>> **First off: It's not a fraction of a degree. It's more than 1 degree C. >>>> Second off: Rising temperatures. Not falling temperatures. >>>> >>>> If the temperatures start to fall, I'll get worried then. Beyond that, >>>> it is a mythical issue. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> North America covered with mile thick ice sheets? >>>>> >>>>> Tell me you wouldn't prefer a bit of global warming over that. >>>> >>>> **When I see our magnificent Great Barrier Reef being destroyed by >>>> warmer water temperatures and the subsequent loss of tens of thousands >>>> of jobs, I am far more concerned than a non-existent ice in in North >>>> America. >>> >>> GBR is being destroyed by overuse of fertilizer, didn't you know that ? >>> >>> >> >> ** >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_threats_to_the_Great_Barrier_Reef >> >> >> "According to the 2014 report of the Australian Government's Great >> Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA), says that climate change is >> the most significant environmental threat to the Great Barrier Reef,[5] >> while the other major environmental pressures are listed as decreased >> water quality from land-based runoff, impacts from coastal development >> and some persistent impacts from fishing activities. The reef is also >> threatened by storms, coral bleaching and ocean acidification." >> > > I saw the fertalizer GBR thing on TV about 3 years ago, like on PBS. **You'll note from my quote that feriliser is a problem, but climate change is the bigger one. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au