Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed7.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.68.MISMATCH!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.fr7!futter-mich.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad!fx40.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Jeff-Relf.Me @. Message-ID: References: Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate Subject: Kensi's pride _ demands ignorance. User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM Lines: 55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenet-news.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:29:47 UTC Organization: usenet-news.net Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:29:51 -0700 (Seattle) X-Received-Bytes: 3033 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1420723645 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:466691 sci.physics:701972 alt.checkmate:203320 You (kensi) replied ( to me ): > > > The earth has warmed and cooled too great extremes over the past > > > billions of years; long term, it's cooling. > > Relf is 180 degrees out from reality ... *again*. 4.5 billion years ago, the surface of earth was molten. 33 million years ago, the poles were tropical, not icy. 33 million years is hardly anything, in the history of life. "That Time It Rained for Two Million Years" by "PBS Eons": youtube.com/watch?v=_1LdMWlNYS4 > > > The biggest "loophole" in Bell's Theorem is: > > > It's an ensemble of tests, a series, not just one test... > > > like a pollster, asking 5 _ liars if they'll vote for Hillary or not. > > there is no "loophole" in Bell's Theorem. This course there is; all we have are some odds, like the odds of winning a presidential election. If you think it's 100% reliable, and infallible, and that no one is lying, then you're more deluded than a 5 year old child, lost in the Amazon. > It disproves local realism, full-stop. It proves ignorance, not reality. Your pride _ demands ignorance. "" The "detection efficiency", or "fair sampling" problem is the most prevalent loophole in optical experiments. "" -- wikipedia.org/wiki/Loopholes_in_Bell_test_experiments > That means *either* many-worlds *or* [ non-locality ]. > In other words, it means many-worlds. When you're ignorant, anything can happen. Your pride _ demands ignorance. Ignorance does not prove the existence of EuRandomness; all of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me: randomness is ignorance, nothing more. > > > Once the cards are all dealt, and the dice stop rolling, > > > and the bets are paid out, the "probability wave" has collapsed. > > There's no "collapsing probability wave", unless you believe > in a non-linear, non-unitary, non-differentiable, non-local, > non-CPT-symmetric, acausal, faster-than-light phenomenon that says that > parts of the wavefunction mysteriously and spontaneously disappear when > decoherence prevents us from seeing them any more. Yes, my point exactly.