Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad!fx33.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Jeff-Relf.Me @. Message-ID: References: Newsgroups: sci.physics,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.checkmate Subject: We're not AllSeeing, AllKnowing gods. User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM Lines: 22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blocknews.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 02:02:46 UTC Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 18:02:49 -0800 (Seattle) X-Received-Bytes: 1791 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1034838582 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:714574 comp.os.linux.advocacy:479311 alt.checkmate:229605 Odd_Bodkin replied: > > "The cat is both dead and alive" is PhD (high and Deep) bullshit. > > Tell me the basis for your belief in hidden variables. What does your "question" ( unfounded accusation ) have to do with your (erroneous) claim that we know that " The cat is both dead and alive " ? ! What interpretation of QM are you using ? It ain't " Shut up and calculate ", that's for sure. All we have are our local observations, nothing more. Could they tell us what a distant observer is seeing ? I've no idea. qBism suggests there's room for improvement, ( see: YouTube.COM/watch?v=LQvCTZgNRNw ); after all, we're not AllSeeing, AllKnowing gods. Sure, our ignorance ( not its "randomness" ) is real, -- we don't know if Schrodinger's cat is dead or alive; but "Local Realism" (causality) doesn't need our recognition.