Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.fr7!futter-mich.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad!fx42.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Jeff-Relf.Me @. Message-ID: References: Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate Subject: qBism [cubism]: correlations without correlata. User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM Lines: 61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blocknews.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 12:41:55 UTC Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2018 04:41:57 -0800 (Seattle) X-Received-Bytes: 3235 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3973354705 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:479132 sci.physics:714413 alt.checkmate:229314 Kensi replied: > > Our inability to _ imagine local realism, much less detect it, > > isn't a "refutation" of local realism. > > I suppose then you also believe in the luminiferous aether? > After all, the Michaelson-Morley experiment didn't, > strictly speaking, "refute" it, it just failed to detect it. :P Four dimensional SpaceTime is the "aether"; it's static, no moving parts. Unlike some here, I don't believe in Santa Claus, The Spaghetti Monster, or a universe that duplicates itself zillions of times a second, $Hollywood, ComicCon $SciFi Style. The simple truth: Apparent randomness is just a measurement problem. Quantum behavior isn't fully modeled, much less detected. Local Realism and Full Causality exist independent of us. > > Kenzi says our Universe rapidly, eternally, duplicates itself; > > as if thermodynamics were bullshit. > > Nothing in MWI is contrary to thermodynamics. Which is why it's _ perfect for ComicCon $SciFi movies, where every planet, and every spacecraft, experiences 1g gravity. With MWI, all of this is possible. You're welcome $Hollywood. > > I don't care if Spinosa, Einstein and me > > are the only ones who get it; > > I'm not trying to join Kensi's SciFi cult. > > you can belittle MWI all you want Thank you, I will. " correlations have physical reality; that which they correlate does not ", " correlations without correlata " -- David Mermin << A new quantum interpretation, called Quantum Bayesianism ( qBism [cubism] ), [regards] quantum theory as a "manual for betting agents". >> -- Giulio Chiribella << in this interpretation, a quantum state is not an element of reality -- instead it represents the degrees of belief an agent has about the possible outcomes of measurements. >> << while many interpretations of quantum theory conclude that quantum mechanics is a nonlocal theory, qBists do not. >> << qBism posits that quantum theory is a normative tool which an agent may use to better navigate reality, rather than a mechanics of reality. >> << Both qBism and RQM deny the existence of an absolute, universal wavefunction. Furthermore, both qBism and RQM insist that quantum mechanics is a fundamentally local theory. >>