Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!border2.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.69.MISMATCH!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer04.fr7!futter-mich.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!post02.iad!fx22.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail Content-Type: Text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Jeff-Relf.Me @. Message-ID: References: Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate Subject: " this loophole cannot be ignored " -- Alain Aspect, 2015. User-Agent: Jeff-Relf.Me/X.HTM Lines: 28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@blocknews.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 01:22:51 UTC Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:22:51 -0800 (Seattle) X-Received-Bytes: 2071 X-Received-Body-CRC: 676778261 X-Original-Bytes: 1889 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:478324 sci.physics:713649 alt.checkmate:228253 Alain Aspect, 2015, "Physics.APS.ORG/articles/v8/123": " By closing two loopholes at once, three experimental tests of Bell’s inequalities remove the last doubts that we should renounce local realism " " one could imagine that the photons' properties are determined in the crystal before their emission " " Far fetched as it is, this residual loophole cannot be ignored, but there are proposals for how to address it [30]." A proposal to address something isn't the same thing as addressing it; " this loophole cannot be ignored ". If we can't _ measure local realism then, yes, we have to "renounce" it ( too often, things can't be properly measured ); still, I'm quite sure that it exists, even if we can't measure it. > > I'm not mainstream. > > That much is certain. Even today, Einstein isn't mainstream. People might be in awe of him, but they don't understand him. Whenever I see a supposed quote from Einstein, it's _ always a misattribution. Very, very few have a clue ( it's damn close to zero ); if it wasn't so, he'd just be an ordinary guy, not a genius.