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edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 1, 2016 at 6:31:05 PM UTC-4, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> In sci.physics J. Clarke <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In article <XnsA694AADE79DC3melchizedek@216.166.97.131>, 
>> > treifamily@gmail.com says...
>> >> 
>> >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in news:cca5cd-ctl.ln1@mail.specsol.com:
>> >> 
>> >> > In sci.physics Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> > 
>> >> >> I really hope he succeeds. No one else seems to being doing as much
>> >> >> for the long term sustainability of the human race.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Human life on Mars is not long term sustainable absent the equivalent
>> >> > of an industrialized nation on Mars.
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> That's correct. That's why he want to get a million people to move there.
>> >> I'd be happier with 10x that number.
>> >> 
>> >> pt
>> > 
>> > The thing is, what industries are needed?  Consider that everything they 
>> > take will be designed to be operated and maintained by them with the 
>> > resources that are expected to be available.
>> 
>> There are no readily available resources on Mars, not even for something
>> as simple as cement.
> 
> you are saying there's no calcium on mars?

Are there large, concentrated deposits of limestone?

>> It takes a huge amount of people and equipment to make something as
>> simple as a ventilation fan motor starting from dirt. And that assumes
>> you can find concentrated deposits of ore to make things like steel,
>> copper wire, aluminum sheet, etc.
> 
> And your justifications for these deposits to not exist are...?

I did not say they do not exist, I said everyone is assuming that
they do exist when there is no evidence that they do.

>> Good luck on making plastic and insulation for the motor; no oil wells
>> on Mars.
> 
> Now you are saying no carbon on Mars?

Nope, no oil wells and no bunch of nuclear reactors running all the
plants needed to make the intermediary products needed to make plastic.

Take bakelite, the oldest and simplest to make (on Earth) plastic.

Where are your plants to make phenol and formaldehyde, your plant to make
cumeene to make phenol, your plant to make methanol to make formaldehyde,
and your mines and smelters to get the required catalysts?


>> -- 
>> Jim Pennino
> 
> Come on guys. If you are just going to bitch about how hard
> it is going to be, just be quiet. As several of you have already
> said, you do not plan to go, great! Stay out of the way and let
> others get on with it.

Reality never deters a stary eyed space cadet dreamer.

 

-- 
Jim Pennino