Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 01:44:12 -0600 Message-ID: <5BF65ECD.2E33@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 23:46:21 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: How many Black Holes are there? References: <5BF1060A.5EA5@ix.netcom.com> <5BF45082.3D0C@ix.netcom.com> <5BF4BAF1.43D5@ix.netcom.com> <8b50bd1d-41c6-4f14-8da3-57fc68c85c16@googlegroups.com> <5BF5A3C6.B45@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 181121-8, 11/21/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 125 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-EV3FNbjSZ8OsbKzxnX7/s7PpAgXN/JSfOeEqcXepjYus7VOsMuRtgzTJFctrVuc/2zuuL5gXDvrTUr2!0UoEtoIhtJeNXhW3v0pn7tbq4YziRqYlS4Lgr8akNfleQ8nmnC5AZ28vejybUE29R+9ULmLJgwi5!8bXjG+RwlME= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5211 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:502897 sci.physics:713959 sci.physics.relativity:477788 alt.astronomy:302208 palsing wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:26:49 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > palsing wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:54:06 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > palsing wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:20:50 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many Black Holes are there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe yous people didn't understand the question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many Black Holes are there? "are there?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "are there" means...in a place or position. > > > > > > > > > > > > "are there" > > > > > > > > > > > > How many Black Holes ... *are there*? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, I understand yous numbers guys like to say 'billions and billions'... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'billions and billions of earths', and 'billions and billions of black holes'... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the question is...How many Black Holes are there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, confirmed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it 10... or around 20? maybe 25?? > > > > > > > > > > Another guy who can't be bothered to look this up for himself, but would rather just make a wild-ass guess. > > > > > > > > > > Here you go, Lazy... > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes > > > > > > > > > > I count 139 on that page, including galaxies containing bit double and triple black holes. > > > > > > > > > > > > That link you provided reads: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an ordered list of the most massive black holes so far discovered (and probable candidates), > > > > > > > > > > > > You would have to omit (probable candidates) since "probable candidates" you cannot confirm that which you have no proof of. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would estimate there are over 100 probable candidates. > > > > > > > > > > > > That leaves 10 balck holes... or around 20? or maybe even 25?? But certaintly not 130 since you didn't omit probable candidates. > > > > > > > > > > > > There you go, Lazy... > > > > > > In the interest of accuracy, the page says "This is a list of black holes (and stars considered probable candidates)". Note it says "stars" and not Supermassive black holes, which are definitely not individual stars. > > > > > > Okay Lazy, here it is on the line you provided: > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_holes > > > > > > Supermassive black holes and candidates > > > > (then under it it reads: See also: List of most massive black holes and List of quasars) > > > > Then, you put your mouse on the highlighted link: > > > > > > List of most massive black holes > > > > > > The link pop-up reads: This is an ordered list of the most massive black holes so far discovered (and probable candidates) > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_massive_black_holes > > > > > > > > Here you go, Lazy... > > So, what's your point? 'Probable candidates' is a strong statement, Maybe you don't know what the word "Probable" means...it means no proof. How can you confirm something without proof? >and I see where casually dismissed my question about how you 'estimated' that there were over 100 'probable candidates'? The math is simple, you counted 139 black holes and I took away the 'probable candidates', 139 Supermassive black holes and candidates - 25 confirmed _________ 114 'probable candidates' There are over 100 'probable candidates' (they don't count). and i didn't say two dozen...Here you go, Lazy...