Path: csiph.com!4.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 01:36:01 -0500 Message-ID: <5B596BF0.3E6F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:36:32 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: Deep Thought References: <5B54F677.2732@ix.netcom.com> <2c4e096f-096b-51e5-690c-039b1b01dbbe@PointedEars.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180725-4, 07/25/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 90 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-4y22+eG50VJwSpQa1FV8pxZUPeeqDDvFbkmtF2ltLDlzr2H8v50mRAbsIcMN2CebzNfQGlVfNMrMgdp!pnHkPRrW+vr/QUjIwjWIT0Kurm5Kcq2NtfSTKsruBLFlo9qfGVfFI5eNznO2bgD4CuSAbT7zh7BU!K5AKQ/QHoFQ= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5022 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:495496 sci.physics:695643 sci.physics.relativity:465707 alt.astronomy:300523 Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 25.07.2018 um 01:52 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: > > >>> > >>> I have always had a little feeling that the big bang might be nothing > >>> more than a local hyper massive explosion contained within a much > >>> larger universe. Perhaps a cluster of ultra massive black holes all > >>> finally merged together. Wrt a larger universe, the big bang could be > >>> a single pixel in the following rendering: > >>> > >>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17379 > >>> > >>> http://www.fractalforums.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17386 > >>> (a zoom...) > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Nice pictures! > > > > Thank you. :^) > > > >> > >> I think, the universe is actually a very large fractal and our little > >> world is nothing but a 'chapter' in a much larger story. > > > > Think of a fractal where branching points are the result of a shi% load > > of hyper massive black holes finally merging together into a single, > > crazy massive black hole. Well, think if each branch in the following > > online 2d vector field simulation of mine was a universe, contained > > within a black hole centered at the point of bifurcation: > > > > http://funwithfractals.atspace.cc/ct_fdla_anime_dynamic_test/ > > > > Now, if this works for you, one can click on a point to dynamically > > create a new attracting point. Let it run for a couple of minutes, then > > click a couple of points within the parametric square. > > > > Fwiw, I am working on an interactive OpenGL 3d version. > > Fractals require complex numbers (in '4D') and the universe could > possibly be based on something similar to quaternions or bi-quaternions > (complex four vectors). > > I'm actually following this idea and it looks quite promising. > > (btw - you may have look at my 'book' here: > > https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6 ) > > >> To understand the idea of big bang, you need to think about the > >> underlying axioms of big-bang theory (which are - of course - wrong). > >> > >> Big-bang is based on a single universal time-line, that starts at the > >> event called big-bang and ends (for instance) here.# > >> > >> This cannot possibly be true. One reason: the universe does not look > >> like an expanding two-dimensional sphere. > >> > >> Better solution: there are multiple timelines possible and to any such > >> 'axis of time' belongs a different 'time domaine' which has its own > >> space. > >> > >> Such a space could pop out of nowhere and subsequently build a new > >> 'universe'. But that 'universe' is just a local impression and not > >> universal at all. > > > > Imvvvvho, it did not pop out of "nowhere". I just have a strange feeling > > that it was, perhaps never created at all! It was always there, will > > continue to be, and will never pass away. Humm... Not sure at all! I > > just have a little feeling. > > https://www.amazon.de/Zero-Infinity-Foundations-Physics-Everything/dp/9812709142 > > The theory of Prof. Peter Rowlands was, that nothing could actually > split into opposite directions. The one side could add to the other to > nothing again, if these sides would ever combine to again (what > apparently does not happen). > > That would be a creation out of nothing. > > TH nothing doesn't exist..there will always be something where there is nothing. In other words...you cannot "creation out of nothing" since 'creation' means..."bring *something* into existence". So, something comes from nothing...(using your own words 'creation')