Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.snarked.org!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 19:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: <5B42B2F1.6C4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 17:57:21 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: Is the moon there when nobody looks? References: <5B40F5A3.3CD@ix.netcom.com> <5B4102D4.46B4@ix.netcom.com> <43ca2bcd-291d-4115-95d6-12ebfbba2985@googlegroups.com> <5B416079.3A07@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180708-6, 07/08/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 97 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-PbThG4MloNC9AZQu1yqxteCtSizEFTlXM2Zdm0nc2tci5199N0CECv/+nW6rAmiSDgxftEW/o58hxuM!hI44F9Ksb5/4oW7Yux2SY0+Ov9hhakyjQBiR/fjotu+DKnBsg5QcdG/+8NcPydYpb/bePEkF9fvx!6YKy/mu8KA== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4177 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:494638 sci.physics:693227 sci.physics.relativity:463849 alt.astronomy:300126 Mark Earnest wrote: > > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 7:53:13 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > Mark Earnest wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 1:13:48 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Mark Earnest wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:17:32 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Is the moon there when nobody looks? > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, even if you're looking at it, it's not there...at least not all there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all there as time has passed, but it's not all there while time is passing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You cannot travel into the future because there is no future to travel too.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not all there..yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > One minute of 'absolute time' is not all there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were to jump one second forward of 'absolute time'..it would be blank, > > > > > > > > > > > > or you would hit a blank wall. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can probably see a half of moon.. > > > > > > > > > > > > but the other half..hasn't happen yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When is the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > The future is Now. > > > > > > > > > > That is all very nice but it is too vague for me. Crystalize your conceptions > > > > > > > > > > maybe. Time is a phenomenon. I agree with that part of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be happy to explain.. > > > > > > > > if you're watching a 16mm film > > > > and it breaks in the middle.. > > > > > > > > you only got to see half the movie. > > > > > > > > Closer examination of the broken film > > > > contains a split frame of film.. > > > > > > > > you see only half the frame. > > > > > > > > Or, if you were at the film lab > > > > when the film was processed.. > > > > only part of the film has developed.. > > > > you will need to wait for the rest of > > > > the film to be developed. > > > > > > > > OR!, if you filming the film.. > > > > the frames are being exposed > > > > frame be frame... > > > > > > > > You watching > > > > as the > > > > world > > > > developes. > > > > > > So whatever happens is already there even before it even happens. > > > > > > > > No, that is not what I said... > > > > I said one second ahead is unexposed film. > > Then I give up trying to understand you. You mustn't confine yourself to the english language...you need pictures. You take a poloroid camera and take a picture.. it takes a few minutes for the print to develop right before your very eyes. If you jump into the future it's all blank.. and you have to wait a few minutes to see...the universe and everything in it.