Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: <5AB13CD4.2803@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:54:44 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: The Steady State Universe References: <5AA96C99.616D@ix.netcom.com> <5AA9CB55.499C@ix.netcom.com> <5AA9FB94.77CA@ix.netcom.com> <5AAEC75F.C7E@ix.netcom.com> <5AAF4EA5.53C2@ix.netcom.com> <5AAFE288.4408@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180320-2, 03/20/2018), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 195 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-c8uSUjv8HxiAkpDeW+RbGhQovsgf0KelT8d9TaeQPGRsGIiMbvnk4imt2+rcKF/759/urHcl8LUlFsa!92bWVLydn4/H9tPQOIJ60/AuOfsLpA5KfsNEOLRk5VlSJ0ZpnG5p0WWx3lD4WhvqQNvVSezfzMKd!ro+YTgpZHF0= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 8720 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:488755 sci.physics:677375 sci.physics.relativity:453327 alt.astronomy:297574 Daniel60 wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote on 20/03/18 03:17: > > Daniel60 wrote: > >> > >> The Starmaker wrote on 19/03/18 16:46: > >>> Daniel60 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote on 19/03/18 07:09: > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Before the Big Bang occurred.. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the universe was a Steady State Universe. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Simply put, it became unsteady. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, if you want to know what caused the Big Bang.. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> it was simply the end of a Steady State Universe. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Not the end of a theory for a new theory... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> but the end of a universe for a new universe. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Based on observations.. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> oh, btw...i found the Blue. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> but yous guys (including albert einstein) made a big mistake of dropping one theory for another theory, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> when they both were correct. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Where do you guys learn physics from???? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Besides this, the green area of the photograph is what is illustrated below: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Here is an illustration of what caused the big bang... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Olber%27s_Paradox_-_All_Points.gif > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Except, you guys got the paradox.... backwards. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Where do you guys learn physics from???? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For example...according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox > >>>>>> > >>>>>> " In the hypothetical case that the universe is static, homogeneous at a large scale, and > >>>>>> populated by an infinite number of stars, then > >>>>>> any line of sight from Earth must end at the (very bright) surface of a star and > >>>>>> hence the night sky should be completely illuminated and very bright. > >>>>>> This contradicts the observed darkness and non-uniformity of the night." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They got this Olber thing (including Olber) ...backwards. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The green area here that is... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "populated by an infinite number of stars" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> any line of sight from Earth must BEGIN at the (very bright) surface of a star > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (which is the red area you see here) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> that which you call the big bang is "the (very bright) surface of a star". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Not "must end at the (very bright) surface of a star", but must BEGIN at the (very bright) surface of a star. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Where do you guys learn physics from???? Who gets all this stuff ...backwards? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, here is an 'illustration' of what 'the before and after big bang photo' looks like...sideways: > >>>>> http://journalofcosmology.com/images/WormHoleDiminsions66.jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> A is the steady state universe and B is the present big bang. > >>>>> > >>>>> It's this photo, but sideways illustrated. > >>>>> http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> The green is A and the B is red. > >>>>> > >>>>> and this is the illustration of what happened moments before A transformed to B > >>>>> > >>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Olber%27s_Paradox_-_All_Points.gif > >>>>> > >>>>> just looking for more space: > >>>>> http://journalofcosmology.com/images/WormHoleDiminsions66.jpg > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually...if you believe the universe is ...flat, then picture a flat...cone. > >>>>> > >>>>> Where do you guys learn physics from???? > >>>>> > >>>>> from stupid proffesors?? oh, go back to skool, you're gonna learn a lot more, ain't you? > >>>>> > >>>> Looking at those links ... it's easy to see that you have *NEVER* > >>>> learned any physics!! > >>> > >>> Is there a mistake that you see or error you can point out? Or you don't have a leg to stand on... > >>> > >> What?? You mean like the links don't seem to show what you reckon they > >> show?? Sure, there's an error!! > > > > Which link are you refering to and where is the error exactly? ...or are you one of those vague people with their drive by shootings... > > > Well lets start with the four links from your post from a couple of days > ago .... > > *Quote* > Now, here is an 'illustration' of what 'the before and after big bang > photo' looks like...sideways: > http://journalofcosmology.com/images/WormHoleDiminsions66.jpg > > A is the steady state universe and B is the present big bang. > > It's this photo, but sideways illustrated. > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > > The green is A and the B is red. > > and this is the illustration of what happened moments before A > transformed to B > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Olber%27s_Paradox_-_All_Points.gif > > just looking for more space: > http://journalofcosmology.com/images/WormHoleDiminsions66.jpg > *End Quote* > > Your first link states it is an image of a Wormhole!! > Your second link shows some pretty lights on a possibly star spangled > background. > Your third link shows an orange blob on a black background that turns > orange. > Your forth link is just a copy of your first link! > > Sure, the images are pretty, but hardly cosmologically significant!! > IMHO, of course!! > -- > Daniel I am simply using "illustrations", that I find on the Internet to...'illustrate' to you what this "photograph" http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg is all about. This is a photograph (not an illustration) of what it looked like 'before and after the big bang' http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg Dictionary il·lus·trate explain or make (something) clear by using examples, charts, pictures, etc. "the results are illustrated in Figure 7" synonyms: explain, explicate, elucidate, clarify, make plain, demonstrate, show, emphasize; informalget across "this can be illustrated through a brief example" serve as an example of. If I want to use a pair of woman's stockings to illustrate...I can. It doesn't mean the big bang is a pair of woman's stockings. I'm illustrating what this photograph is: http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg It is a 'photograph' of moments after the big bang *and* what it looked like before the big bang. A window into both universes. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg There is no error here, just a misunderstanding of women's stockings.