Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!87.79.20.101.MISMATCH!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: <59B040CE.429@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:39:10 -0400 From: Ron Hardin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Hourglass Question References: <59ADBEA8.5404@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.50.222.0 X-Trace: sv3-TGZlm72MJROLLwhkGgE2aV43l6SGwApk6GgMgkwqg14P1Ei0dcZQtgrI1anv/gv8D1BVq/vmQrH+Evh!XSuPBOe0vmixK05dBmBsCDV4xvVGjkybPWQuy9TNqEngjlBlx9AUyIr1cXd0eWoa8JwNU0rmCmVH!23kG+lc= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 1816 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2598811670 X-Received-Bytes: 2090 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:648936 Ron Hardin wrote: > > An old question from the 1970s that I never > figured out. > > What governs the speed of flow of an hourglass? > > I mean what principle. What's going on. > > It's not viscosity (no transport of x momentum in > the y direction etc.) > > It seems like it's the time it takes something to > call out of a lockup condition and clear the mess, > leaving it up to the next lockup condition, but > what the hell equation is that? Try this start: the sand above the hole consists of locked up unstable structures, each stabilized by the structure below it. The one at the bottom goes unstable and falls, freeing the one above to begin going unstable. So there a distance between structures, an instability growth time to collapse. -- rhhardin@mindspring.com On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.