Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <598FA5A4.18DB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:04:36 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: by albert einstein References: <598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170811-8, 08/11/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 97 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-Iqs/5G8EwpN1Y9dNSexa33H6rRRs72Y+48LiuTmwH/oZ/nQY8HqmhhAQQWy2de1ZXbDorQoc6Tpt5lV!w4Vlg/NPypiDXx8Fd6myt5U1lutQ5wwpFu2iTpZqFRQMnHFjZ8iiGZjTxSuUUWDcQcsByl7RFzzE!GTr25kh/o0E= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5855 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:645663 sci.physics.relativity:428469 rec.arts.sf.written:476860 alt.astronomy:292690 J. Clarke wrote: > > In article , ttt_heg@web.de says... > > > > Am 12.08.2017 20:25, schrieb hanson: > > > > > > "Thomas Heger" wrote > > >> Am 10.08.2017 um 20:02 schrieb Hägar: > > >>> "The Starmaker" wrote in message news:598C989F.148A@ix.netcom.com... > > >>> https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ > > >>> > > >>> Hägar wrote: > > >>> *** This piece of trash was written not by Einstein, but by > > >>> a socialist political hack, of the same type than those who > > >>> penned Obama's two books. > > >>> > > >>> Einstein was a scientist and scientists just don't write or > > >>> orate in the lingo of the socialist ruling class. Obama, on the other > > >>> hand, is the epitome of socialism/communism and has the flowery rhetoric > > >>> of those carpet baggers. > > >>> > > >>> Einstein fled to Switzerland to escape the encroaching threat > > >>> od Hitler's "National Socialism" (NAZI) party and from there > > >>> to the US where he stayed for the rest of his life. > > >>> You, Starmaker, are a clueless hack. > > >> > > > "Thomas Dumbass Heger" wrote: > > >> Einstein had a very strong German accent for all of his life (in the > > >> USA). The quoted text is written in flawless English, what Einstein > > >> could not do. > > >> So I would agree, that this text is most likely not written by him. > > >> > > > hanson wrote: > > > Dumbass Heger, how does an accent determine grammar? > > > or how or by what means were you able to conclude that a > > > spoken accent (audio) can be seen in a silent, printed article? .. > > > Here, for your benefit, are some more > > > > > > > > > > I'm German and write in a second language. So I know very the > > difficulties for Germans t5o write in English (or for English to write > > in German). > > > > The English language is full of very specific rules and exceptions and > > there are way more English words than German. > > > > German on the other hand is difficult for speakers of English, because > > they have e.g. three genders and certain letters, that are hard to > > pronounce correctly (like 'ü'). > > > > So I would guess, that I could hear the origin of a speaker. But I could > > also see the differences in the written language, since certain mistakes > > are typical for Germans and for English. > > > > For instance countries are female in English (Germany is 'she') and the > > people living there are male singular (the German). > > > > The German language uses different concepts and countries have mainly > > the neutral gender and people are addressed in plural. > > > > So speakers of either language make certain errors, because they are > > used to the concepts, their own language is based on. And they keep them > > long after they speak the new foreign language perfectly. > > > > From such errors I can estimate the origin of the speaker, even if > > there is no accent. > > > > But Einstein spoke with a very strong German accent (like e.g. Wernher > > von Braun), hence he did not learn the new language English too well. > > > > Since the quoted text about socialism is flawless, I assume that > > Einstein could not have written it (himself). > > > > But possibly the text was edited or corrected on the foundation of a > > text of Einstein himself. Possibly he wrote in German and that was > > translated by a professional translator. > > I think that Einstein's command of English was considerably better than > yours. I'm pretty sure that he understood that one would only refer to > _writing_ with an accent if one was attempting to be facetious. > > If you mean that people with certain backgrounds make characteristic > grammatical errors, that may be true, but it is not an "accent", and when > one is writing for publication and (a) has time to review one's work, (b) > hand it to someone in the English department at a major university to vet, > and (c) also has it reviewed by the publication's professional editor, such > errors can be easily eliminated. > > Now, whether Einstein's views on politics should be given much weight is a > different question--he was an expert on physics, not government. Expertise > in one field does not automatically convey expertise in another. > 'government expert'?? , i didn't even know the term existed. Is Trump a 'government expert'????