Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <596E595C.316A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:54:20 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox References: <086f7a5d-bd46-44dc-abf3-98488917a499@googlegroups.com> <595FB442.376D@ix.netcom.com> <26ea4b57-9ad8-40fd-964e-105d9598fe4b@googlegroups.com> <596034C0.3F7A@ix.netcom.com> <5961241A.2991@ix.netcom.com> <9b05902c-7d28-4366-8ef1-670686544437@googlegroups.com> <596184D0.92A@ix.netcom.com> <221fbdd5-fcd5-4b7e-9a23-e1f5fa435cdd@googlegroups.com> <5962A63E.486F@ix.netcom.com> <41c546a0-a3b4-488d-83b9-94815cf43ab0@googlegroups.com> <59643F8D.40@ix.netcom.com> <2b9a4f92-6bde-4da3-a7d4-82ac9af1908d@googlegroups.com> <5965C386.ACB@ix.netcom.com> <596671FE.6B6E@ix.netcom.com> <5968478F.2C6E@ix.netcom.com> <5968EF60.175F@ix.netcom.com> <5968F698.394E@ix.netcom.com> <596C68F5.6497@ix.netcom.com> <5d5dc7a1-db78-4b3b-82b3-925962f8bdee@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170718-2, 07/18/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 122 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-BvhGdZaS7iGqjenx9XeZoYOTtlEPcKBP2f+rp9dgTahcklHobGD4evvfras5D+1bqm/5rRanBtV8ovX!baPt9l+HvUynHuU+tt95LUqlKlJb7UQxVbpAqrUKbZpVEEP2syw+By+tThVqYtBIoKWPA8RJRDtf!yQ6fYaPFQSM= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 8436 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:641241 sci.physics.relativity:425519 rec.arts.sf.written:475189 alt.astronomy:292203 gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 1:06:18 PM UTC+5:30, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 11:00:56 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 5:55:17 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:20:21 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 9:25:56 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 12:18:20 PM UTC-4, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During B’s entire journey B’s clock accumulates clock seconds at a slower rate of 1/gamma than A. At no time B observe A’s clock accumulate clock seconds at a slower rate than B’s clock. Why? Because B’s clock second contains a larger amount of time (absolute time) than A’s clock second. IOW, a clock second is NOT A UNIVERSAL INTERVAL OF ABSOLUTE TIME in different frames. It contains a different amount of absolute time in different frames. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explanation is confirmed by the GPS. A GPS second is redefined to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation than the ground clock second. This is designed to make the passage of a redefined GPS second corresponds to the passage of a stand ground clock second and thus making the GPS permanently in synch with the ground clock in terms of absolute time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if time would to stop for 5 minutes universally, would anyone be aware > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no way to stop the passage of absolute time. You can stop the passage of clock time by damaging the clock but the passage of absolute time continues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if time can start, it can stop.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes.....clock time can start and stop. But not absolute time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it can even slow down, or speed up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly clock time can slow down or speed up but not absolute time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and time can turnaround and go back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No.....absolute time moves in one direction....it can only move forward into the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (and i ain't talkin bout clocks) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no future for time to 'move into'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is tomorrow not the future???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does the future exist without time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The future and absolute time always exist. Tomorrow (he future) and 24 hours (absolute time) from now exists simultaneously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The future and time exist simultaneously, but there is no...tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow and time exist simultaneously at tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but not after tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if two weeks from now is the future, and you got a glimpse of it, what > > > > > > > will you see? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll explain what you will see because it's not information that exist anywhere else... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you got a glimpse of the future...stuck your head in and took a look..what you will see is...NOTHING. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's Blank! Pure white. No earth, no stars, no universe...nothing. Nothing happen yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > It has to develope with time...like developing a photograph in the darkroom...eventually everything begins to come about. > > > > > > > > > > I mean, you people don't acutally believe that there are people walking around in the future, do you???? > > > > > > > > Even Albert Einstein didn't understand... > > > > > > > > "I like to think the moon is there even if I am not looking at it." --Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > I thought everyone understood this by now... > > > > > > > > That the future is what....you make it. > > > > > > > > I mean, litteraly MAKE IT. You even make the moon... > > > > > > > > It's like I gotta start all over again...and teach you people what you don't seem to understand. > > > > > > > > That if you pop you head into two weeks from now into the future...there's NOTHING there, not even the moon! > > > > > > > > Life is what you make it means....all of it!!! > > > > > > > > even the moon. > > > > > > I really don't know how to explain it in terms that you can understand it. You're gonna have take one of my classes... > > > > > > > > > > In other words...one minute forward in the future universal time, there is no earth, moon, and universe. It just develops in time. > > Any other theories for time dilation in gravitational field? Like so many others here..you're too close to the "time intermediate wheel" to see the ...Clock.