Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 21:34:56 -0500 Message-ID: <593371F2.2DA8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 19:35:30 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Only "the present" ( a sea of "here and now" events ) exists. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170603-0, 06/03/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 26 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-xVpJjbG7hczMcbsBYH+I2SMomUivrhc+JiXlmQa2znxSfFCnp7Pzs6fOqgySMwBM4qVWwHGY/a3qfBZ!uvKd4Mj+lTglgOvP0HGaEuKipK8d/MuluKjU2Fz+yryUk15SSCheRJ7+5tWD5Wo7tL5F1uWDJC4z!twRosmyn7W4= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2118 X-Received-Bytes: 2240 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2519845730 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:635265 comp.os.linux.advocacy:416954 alt.atheism:2309498 Jeff-Relf.Me, @. wrote: > > Abhinav Lal wrote: > > According to Eternalisim, all moments in time exist. > > According to Presentism, only the present exists. > > > > I believe in Presentism, because I believe in free will, > > and that the universe is non deterministic. > > What do you believe in? > > Only "the present" ( a sea of "here and now" events ) exists. > > Still: > > The ( four dimensional ) timescape is static, immutable; > the future is just as fixed as the past; > (semi)randomness is (semi)ignorance, nothing more. > > Humanity is just another way to consume exergy, like the stars. > > And there are many paths to follow; Science _Fiction is very profitable. > We get mad when our paths cross, like road rage, > but there's nothing anyone can do about it, nature programmed us. Where, over here or over there?