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benj wrote:
> 
> On 4/27/2017 2:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Jonathan Doolin wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 6:40:02 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> >>> On 4/25/2017 5:53 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
> >>>> Thought is a function of Mind. If you wish to assert that Mind can
> >>>> exist apart from Brain, postulate it explicitly, and show cause to
> >>>> accept your postulate.
> >>>
> >>> I postulate it. Persistence of consciousness.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That's not much of a postulate.
> >> It's not even a complete sentence.
> >> And "persistence of consciousness"
> >> certainly doesn't clearly demonstrate
> >> that "mind can exist apart from brain."
> >>
> >> My computer shows persistence of memory
> >> but that's because it contains
> >> billions of memory cells
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_cell_(binary)
> >> INSIDE it.
> >>
> >> In the same way,
> >> I have persistence of consciousness
> >> because of internal memory.
> >>
> >> What the computer cannot do
> >> (I would postulate)
> >> is experience frustration, contentment, pain, or lust
> >> or experience the color of green or blue.
> >> or desire to play a video game.
> >> It can go through the actions,
> >> and make me believe it feels,
> >> because someone has programmed it to do so.
> >> But it does not feel.
> >
> >
> > There is no such thing as 'persistence of consciouness'...
> 
> And the way you know this is? Ah, Superpowers.
> 
> > you never heard of, "unconsciouness"???
> >
> > When you sleep, ...you become unconsciouns to the point of no
> > consciouness...then the brain contiunes to process thought/information.
> >
> > No mind or consciouness is necessary.
> >



There is no proof that 'consciouness' exist.