Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 01:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: <57F73C64.6D0E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 23:10:44 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 147 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-bNezAOOuW6j/J3tjblHOrXsAISHa87sGFE9LNiW3rPFtSwfczJ0c7QTfs8orEZOiS3l5Ii/a+vmlztV!/n12jfShtqfWE9MFchEIGCs87D+6slayV+y0lCcQXj6ri/tgDGcCZMb2ta1NBm3vnO+FBD9CVAkQ!6Ka84j8tZKs= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 7632 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:453261 sci.physics:599816 alt.astronomy:286644 Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > news:vdmjcd-gab.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > > > In sci.physics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy > > wrote: > >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > >> news:ehqicd-5f8.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > >> > >>> In sci.physics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy > >>> wrote: > >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > >>>> news:dqoicd-8b8.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > >>>> > >>>>> In sci.physics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > >>>>>> news:soiicd-0i7.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> In sci.physics Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > >>>>>>>> news:a00hcd-432.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David DeLaney > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-05, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics David DeLaney > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-05, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Don Bruder wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh sure, move the goalposts. You said "on Earth". Not > >>>>>>>>>>>> "on the land portions of Earth". And we haven't even > >>>>>>>>>>>> gotten to my first choice yet, which would satisfy > >>>>>>>>>>>> the latter. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> And that would be where and how many people would want > >>>>>>>>>>> to live there? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You'd be just as ignorant about it, I fear. There's no > >>>>>>>>>> large native mammals, if that helps you any. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Information free arm waving. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is difficult about running a pipe to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface and an air pump for air and a boat to the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearest store for beer and other sundries? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me, does the distance "32 feet" mean anything to > >>>>>>>>>>>> you in this context? How about a "Torricellian > >>>>>>>>>>>> vacuum"? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Not in the context of an underwater structure. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Does the term "submarine snorkel" mean anything to > >>>>>>>>>>> you? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ... Go look up how long submarine snorkels ARE, and how > >>>>>>>>>> close to the surface one needs to be to use one, > >>>>>>>>>> please. Sheesh. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, because submarines MOVE and much over 5 or 6 knots > >>>>>>>>> folds the tube. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A fixed habitat does not have that issue. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have yet to define any real challenge to being > >>>>>>>>>>>>> under water on Earth. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to clue him in on the ones OTHER than > >>>>>>>>>>>> "there's no AIR there, dude"? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to explain how an air pump on the surface > >>>>>>>>>>> works? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to explain WHY I invoked "32 feet", up > >>>>>>>>>> there, to him? It's basic physics... which he seems to > >>>>>>>>>> not have ever encountered. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Anyone want to explain the difference a sucking pump and > >>>>>>>>> a pushing pump? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Off the shelf compressors can easily achive greater than > >>>>>>>>> 18,000 psi. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> What is 18,000 psi in feet of water? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The pressure inside a closed container has zero > >>>>>>>>> correlation with the depth of the container if it is > >>>>>>>>> underwater. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Bathyspheres go down to 3,000 feet. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There is so much cluelessness in this conversation - by > >>>>>>>> eveyrone - I don't even know where to start. There are so > >>>>>>>> many issues stemming from the pressure at extreme depths > >>>>>>>> under water that we don't spend much time there. Those > >>>>>>>> who do go down deep spend years in specialized training, > >>>>>>>> and boatloads of money in specialized equipment. For a > >>>>>>>> reason. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yep, when one is doing research at depths far beyond a > >>>>>>> couple of hundred feet, but that is not the subject of the > >>>>>>> original discussion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> The original discussion seems to be living at extreme > >>>>>> depths. This is more challenging than going to extreme > >>>>>> depths for short periods. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nope, just living underwater. > >>>> > >>>> Fewer obstacles, if one is shallow, but there's still a > >>>> reason it isn't done already. > >>> > >>> Like maybe very few people would want to do it for many of the > >>> same reasons few people, except for refugees, move to North > >>> Dakota, Alaska, and Wyoming? > >> > >> Or maybe it's more difficult than some people would like to > >> believe. It's not like there hasn't been - a lot of - various > >> endeavours in the area. > > > > Or maybe it is expensive and not very attractive to most people. > > It's very expensive because it's very dangerous, and significant > effort has to be put into not dying. > > > > When most people look at places to live, they look at things > > like the schools, shopping, recreation, local taxes, the crime > > rate; heavy duty airlocks aren't usually on the list. > > > The one-way trip to Mars project drew 200,000 volunteers. There's > no lack of people willing to try any new, different, exotic, > *exciting* way of life. > > Dumbass. There is no "way of life." on Mars... 'Prepare to Die'. Dumbass. When you were born your mother said "He looks just like your Fther, except with more asshole." And when you came home from school and told your mother "Look Mom, I got an A!" She said, "I bet I know what the A stands for."